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« Reply #20 on: September 1, 2005, 09:20AM »
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Hi Mike 




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Hi Chris

Well I was interested but proceeded with caution stressing that the deal had to be through Ebay and Paypal. I then got another email from a different email address and then yet another one asking for details which I thought that the legitimate seller would have known and not dealing with the issues I had raised. At that point I reported it as a scam to Ebay.

Later I received further similar emails from yet more email addresses by which time I was aware that the original high bidder had received the chess computer and posted feedback.

Mike




Many thanks for this explanation.

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« Reply #21 on: August 30, 2005, 07:03PM »
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Thanks folks for your comments! Good points and all valid. Dick: I really missed that word so I'm glad you had your sharp eyes there. I'll update that. Also thanks Mike for your posting of that email! And Chris, you also have good suggestions. The one about the ID change is one I really need to add there!

I have had some of those people try to scam me before and at least once someone tried to steal my eBay identity! Be careful with your passwords!

I'll let you know when I finish the updates.

All the best,

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« Reply #22 on: August 30, 2005, 04:31PM »
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Quote from: Chris on August 30, 2005, 02:10PM   

Hi Mike, 

Thanks for this.

I've only ever once received a second chance offer. Sorry for showing my ignorance but how did you know it was a fake?

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Hi Chris

Well I was interested but proceeded with caution stressing that the deal had to be through Ebay and Paypal. I then got another email from a different email address and then yet another one asking for details which I thought that the legitimate seller would have known and not dealing with the issues I had raised. At that point I reported it as a scam to Ebay.

Later I received further similar emails from yet more email addresses by which time I was aware that the original high bidder had received the chess computer and posted feedback.

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« Reply #23 on: August 30, 2005, 02:10PM »
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Hi Mike, 

Thanks for this.

I've only ever once received a second chance offer. Sorry for showing my ignorance but how did you know it was a fake?

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« Reply #24 on: August 30, 2005, 02:02PM »
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I agree with Dick. The Scam page is very good.

Just to reinforce the point you make about Second Chance Offers, this is a bogus email I received from a scammer back in December :-

Please do not reply to this email as you will not receive a response. This email was sent by an eBay member via eBay's email forwarding system.
   
Marketplace Safety Tips:


If this email is an offer to directly sell you an item without bidding on and winning the item on eBay, please report it to us immediately at http://pages.ebay.co.uk/help/policies/rfe-spam-non-ebay-sale.html and do not respond. An offer to sell an item directly to another eBay member through email violates eBay rules. It is also extremely unsafe to purchase an item through this email system regardless of the seller's claims or feedback, as you lose the benefit of eBay's purchase protection programs and risk losing your money.

Never pay for your eBay item through instant cash transfer services such as Western Union or MoneyGram. Such services offer Internet shoppers no protection against fraud. Learn more at http://pages.ebay.co.uk/securitycenter/mrkt_safety.html.

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Dear miketp2,

Good news! The following eBay item on which you placed a bid is now available for purchase:
Chesster Phantom Chess Challenger Set Fidelity 6126
Item number: 5939511908

To purchase this item just contact the seller at :
lincolister@yahoo.com

Second Chance Offer
The seller, is making this Second Chance Offer because the high bidder was either unable to complete the transaction or the seller has a duplicate item for sale.
The selling of this item through Second Chance Offer is in compliance with eBay policy; you will be able to exchange Feedback with the seller and will be eligible for all eBay services associated with a transaction, such as fraud protection.
To see this item, click on the following page:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=2554&item=5939511908&rd=1
About Second Chance Offer go to:
http://pages.ebay.com/help/sell/personal_offer.html


To respond to this eBay member go to:
http://contact.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ReturnUserEmail&requested=maubatut5&frm=-1&iid=-1&de=off&redirect=0&contactsubmit=Contact+Member

Thank you,
maubatut5

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This is just the sort of email you would expect to get on a legitimate Second Chance Offer.

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« Reply #25 on: August 30, 2005, 02:01PM »
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Hi Ismenio, 

Dick has already said it but ....excellent page and many thanks. 

Nothing really to add, a couple of thoughts only:

- what about frequent ID changes?

- it isn't hard to set-up a different ID, but in another area of interest of mine (family history), I know one site lists Ebay IDs of known scammers & copywrite infringers. Perhaps this is going too far?

- Tasc appears to be most common, but are there other known computers which have been subject to scamming, if so might be worth listing these

- clicking on individual pictures currently brings up the description

Anyway, these are all very minor - this is a great piece of work! 

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« Reply #26 on: August 30, 2005, 01:49PM »
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Hi Dick, 


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I really do resemble that remark!  I, too, am an accountant.  Although I am semi-retired, and received my degree back in the dark ages of the late 1960's.  That should make me much more boring than you are




You have had more practice than me  -- I qualified wiht KPMG in the ealry 1990s though I don't practice any more. I'm now more into consultancy type work improving the effectiveness and efficiency of public sector bodies.

At least now I don't need to stand on my own in the corner! 


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You made a comment on an earlier posting about wanting to see more trouble free CC1's.  I am curious about what you meant about "trouble free".  I have three CC1's and they all work perfectly.  Well, as perfectily as a CC1 could ever work, as they have serious flaws.  As far as I know, these are very robust computers and I have never heard of one that was defective.



I meant trouble free auctions rather than the CC1s themselves (unfortunately I can't yet verify whether they are trouble free as I haven't yet got one!). I was referring to an earlier post over the unsatisfactory initial listing of the CC1 which you subsequently won.

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Chris 

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« Reply #27 on: August 30, 2005, 01:39PM »
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Quote from: Ismenio on August 29, 2005, 08:08PM   

Folks, I need your help. I'm still updating the site but one page that I was going to have a long time ago had to deal with tips and information on how to protect against scammers.

I have set up this work in progress today: http://www.ismenio.com/scam_auction.html

Can you take a look and think of things to add?
Thanks!

Ismenio


Ismenio,

I think you did a wonderful job on this page.  You must have either been scammed several times, or you are a former scammer! 

I know this doesn't help you at all, but I read the page several times and could not think of anything I would add.  The only thing I noticed was an incorrect word in the 2nd line of the paragraph that begins with "Sell a defective item".  You say the word "five" and I think you meant to say "give".

Very impressive work by you, indeed, when I can spend so much time trying to find errors or omissions and the only thing I can come up with is a mispelling of one word.

This should be a very useful section to add to your site.

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« Reply #28 on: August 29, 2005, 08:08PM »
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Folks, I need your help. I'm still updating the site but one page that I was going to have a long time ago had to deal with tips and information on how to protect against scammers.

I have set up this work in progress today: http://www.ismenio.com/scam_auction.html

Can you take a look and think of things to add? I will be more than happy to give you credit and you'll be helping people avoid being scammed. I know that most of us probably already have an "eye" for it but try to think in terms of someone new to it and what they should look for.

I still don't have a link to this one the main page.

Thanks!

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« Reply #29 on: August 29, 2005, 11:35AM »
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Quote from: Chris on August 29, 2005, 10:03AM   

Hi Dick, 

Thanks for this - it always seem to be coincidence that these sellers nearly always have 0 or little feedback. Always a danger sign for me, but then I am generally risk averse (a boring accountant!  ).

Best wishes


Chris


Chris,

I really do resemble that remark!  I, too, am an accountant.  Although I am semi-retired, and received my degree back in the dark ages of the late 1960's.  That should make me much more boring than you are. 

Most of my work has been in the area of accounting systems on computers and setting up clients on them.  However, I have been an auditor and tax accountant off and on for years, also.

You made a comment on an earlier posting about wanting to see more trouble free CC1's.  I am curious about what you meant about "trouble free".  I have three CC1's and they all work perfectly.  Well, as perfectily as a CC1 could ever work, as they have serious flaws.  As far as I know, these are very robust computers and I have never heard of one that was defective.

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« Reply #30 on: August 29, 2005, 11:25AM »
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I also got a response from him. Except that I asked two questions and I asked them in French

My questions:
Hi, do you have additional pictures you can send me? Also, would you be willing to complete the transaction via an escrow service authorized by eBay?
Thanks!


Computer translation:
Bonjour, avez-vous les images additionnelles que vous pouvez m'envoyer?  En outre, seriez-vous disposé à accomplir la transaction par l'intermédiaire d'un service d'engagement autorisé par eBay?  Merci!

His answer (I masked his name):
Pour les images, je vais essayer d'obtenir un appareil photo numérique. J'ai seulement une webcam qui prend des photos de trop mauvaises qualités.
Je n'ai pas compris votre 2ème question.
Mais oui, la transaction ne s'effectuera que par E-Bay, avec Paypal de préférence.

Cordialement,

Xxxxxxx Xxxxx


Computer translation:
For the images, I will try to obtain a numerical camera.  I have only a webcam which takes photographs of too bad qualities.  I did not include/understand your 2nd question.  Yes, the transaction will be carried out only by E-Bay, with Paypal preferably.  Cordially, Xxxxxx Xxxxx

Now, was the translation of the question on the escrow service that bad?

Interesting that he didn't reply to my questions publicly but I saw he answered a question from someone else there.
I send him another question just on the escrow service. More detailed. But got no answer so far.

Chris, you're right. I would be extremely careful about this. Maybe even ask him, where are you located? And when he answers back maybe check him out, if you know someone who lives nearby and then reply "Great! If I win, can I came over and pick it up paying cash?"
Or, how about asking him to perform a test! Give him a known problem that you know how the Tasc would perform and see what he says Wait a second... don't post that test here! He could be reading this

If this is legit, and if were the seller, I would not mind those questions a bit! The one thing that intrigues me is why did he have this account since 2004? Was he just waiting for some opportunity like this?

Ismenio

PS: You're an accountant Chris? That's the 3rd one I know of who is a chess computer enthusiast!
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« Reply #31 on: August 29, 2005, 10:03AM »
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Hi Dick, 

Thanks for this - it always seem to be coincidence that these sellers nearly always have 0 or little feedback. Always a danger sign for me, but then I am generally risk averse (a boring accountant!  ).

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Quote from: Mike Watters on August 29, 2005, 05:38AM   

The latest Tasc sale on Ebay looks a bit dodgy.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5995822030&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1

The seller has no feedback. The only photo is taken from the old Tasc site or even Ismenio's Tasc feature (http://www.ismenio.com/tasc/r30.html). Yet the opening price is knowledgeable.

What do you think?

Mike




Interesting thing happened just now in regards to this Tasc (not the other one that we know is a scam). 

I just received an email from the seller stating that he will try to get me additional pictures of the Tasc, but he only has a webcam and can't get good pictures.

The interesting part of this is, I NEVER sent him any email asking for additional pictures!  There is a question on the eBay auction asking for more pics from a Tom, and the same answer that I got directly appears on the auction page. 

Now I am very curious as to why I also got this response sent to me directly when I have had no contact with this seller.  Well, not recently or based on this auction, anyway.  I have emailed similar requests to previous "sellers" of suspicious Tasc computers in the past several months.  I wonder if this "seller" is one of the same bogus sellers that I emailed in the past and he screwed up and sent me this reponse based on a previous contact I had made.

I would be very careful about bidding on this Tasc, as it seems a bogus as the obvious ones have been.

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« Reply #33 on: August 29, 2005, 08:47AM »
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Hi All, 

LOL - nice picture Ismenio! 

Well I guess with at least 3 Tasc's now listed simultaneously it can't feature on Ismenio's rare list.

Now if only a few 'problem free' CC1's would start to show up! 

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Chris
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« Reply #34 on: August 29, 2005, 07:46AM »
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Wow! This is getting out of hand! Soon it will start hurting the legit Tasc auctions

I wonder why these low-life scammers don't use the Novag Robot??

Thanks for the heads up Mike!

Ismenio

PS: Wait a minute! This one is from France: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5995822030 />And the guy was registered in Jan 2004 though he has 0 feedbacks. Could this be legit?
Maybe one of us could ask him if he would be willing to complete the transaction via the eBay escrow service?

Ismenio


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« Reply #35 on: August 29, 2005, 06:08AM »
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Now there's a coincidence. No sooner do I start a thread about a possible Tasc scam than the long running Tasc scam turns up for the nth time :-

http://cgi.ebay.com/The-Tasc-R30-1995-Chess-Computer-Schachcomputer_W0QQitemZ5236308342QQcategoryZ2554QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

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The latest Tasc sale on Ebay looks a bit dodgy.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5995822030&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1

The seller has no feedback. The only photo is taken from the old Tasc site or even Ismenio's Tasc feature (http://www.ismenio.com/tasc/r30.html). Yet the opening price is knowledgeable.

What do you think?

Mike

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