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Alain Zanchetta
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Re:OT: Tip - searching CCC messages
« on: November 21, 2005, 12:15PM »
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Hi Ismenio,

thanks for the screenshot and the comments, it is very interesting.

Searching inside compound files is really a feature missing in Windows's search, you are right... and that's the main reason why I installed MSN Desktop search on my work laptop where I have huges Outlook storage files (preview being another one).

I download the CCC archives on another PC and I don't do other searches on this PC, so I kept windows search as I have as a strategy "don't install anything not strictly mandatory".

Thanks again for this infos on Yahoo Desktop Search which I did not know ; people talk a lot about Google and MSN and it is interesting to see a third solution.

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« Reply #1 on: November 21, 2005, 05:46AM »
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Hi Alain,

Thanks for those instructions. I had never used the “advanced” search before. But I still don’t like the built-in search capabilities of windows.

For example, it doesn’t search inside the ZIP files, unless I missed something. With Yahoo Desktop Search I don’t have to unzip them and even when I search I don’t need to open it because the preview window shows the entire text. And it shows results as I am typing the search criteria. Also I can use advanced search options right in the search box. Using words like NEAR, etc. I have a screen shot of an example where I was searching for “alain AND phantom”. I have the thumb nail version below, just click on it to load the bigger picture.

It also works a lot faster because Yahoo uses the technology of X1 (I think that’s the name) and they have a very good search engine. So not having to unzip the files means less disk space and less time



I also like it because I use it to search for pictures (the preview is invaluable in this type of file!), music, PDF files, etc.

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« Reply #2 on: November 20, 2005, 09:44PM »
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Hi Ismenio,

I don't know the specific features of Yahoo search but I have been doing what you describe for some time now (a bit more than 2 years) and I am simply using the search engine integrated in XP.

I don't know why but it is so bad lyconfigured by default but there is a way to do really powerful searches with logical operators. You can search for example "Novag NEAR Elo".

To launch this powerful version of the search : use "administrative tools", then "Computer's management", "Services and applications", "Indexing service" , "System" and finally "query the catalog" (and here choose "advanced query".

I think it is possible to use this indexing engine from the basic search panel in the explorer but I haven't tried.

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« Reply #3 on: November 20, 2005, 02:28PM »
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Just sharing a tip with you. Being busy as I am I haven't had time to be on the text based Chess Computer Club ( www.talkchess.com ) But today I have been downloading archived messages for future reference. One problem is that the archive is in ZIP files so you would have to download them, unzip the .TXT files and then read them. But, there's tons of messages in each file with only a fraction of interest to those who are more into dedicated units and not software and things like that.

The solution I'm using is the Yahoo Desktop Search tool where I can use specific keywords to search for messages of interest. It's really easy to use. I'm with Yahoo because at the time the Google version didn't have all the features I wanted but I think today they did catch up but since I'm used to Yahoo I decided to keep it.

By the way, I found the message from Steve where he mentions he wasn't interested in collecting prototypes. It's from Jan 2005.

Here's how you can do it:

1. Create a specific folder on your computer just for that. It will make it easier to organize things.

2. You can download archive of the messages on CCC via FTP here: ftp://ftp.talkchess.com/ccc/
(You can use your browser or an ftp program (recommended)  like Blade FTP ( http://www.tucows.com/preview/340225 )

3. Download the Yahoo Desktop search utility here: http://desktop.yahoo.com/
(The Google one can be found here: http://desktop.google.com/ )

4. Run the tool and let it index your files for the first time (will take a while)

Now you can search! Just type in "Phantom chess" or whatever! You can then go back to the ftp site to keep getting updates. There's lot of interesting stuff there.

For archive on Kurt's forum you can use the search option there.

Schachcomputer.info being a very modern site/forum/encyclopedia has great search options right there.

If anyone knows of other site/forum where folks talk about chess computers please let me know.

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