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Re:Tasc 2.2 / 2.5 what's the difference
« on: November 25, 2005, 10:06AM »
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Quote from: Mike Watters on November 24, 2005, 03:34PM   

Alain

Please do not smash my dreams.

I am hot on the trail of the 2.4 Tasc with the 91 leds, a working Savant and the Yeti. And I bet that Christian tells me he knows where to find a Yeti. 

Mike


You bet! CANADA. For the moment I am drowning in SNOW!!! There MUST be Yetis over here...

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Ma patrie ce n'est pas un pays - c'est l'hiver!

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Re:Tasc 2.2 / 2.5 what's the difference
« Reply #1 on: November 24, 2005, 03:34PM »
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Alain

Please do not smash my dreams.

I am hot on the trail of the 2.4 Tasc with the 91 leds, a working Savant and the Yeti. And I bet that Christian tells me he knows where to find a Yeti. 

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Re:Tasc 2.2 / 2.5 what's the difference
« Reply #2 on: November 24, 2005, 01:45PM »
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Quote from: Ismenio on November 23, 2005, 01:54PM   

I've decided that I wouldn't upgrade my 2.2 to 2.4 even if that was available. But, I'm curious, do you think that upgrade is still possible today? How hard is it to find those EPROMs?



Hmmmmm Ismenio...if you ever find these V2.4 Eproms let me know They would be unique!

Do you mean as unique as a Smartboard with 10 additional leds  ?

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There is the SB 20 with 1 LED each square (64) and SB 30 with 1 LED at the corner of each square (91 total).


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Re:Tasc 2.2 / 2.5 what's the difference
« Reply #3 on: November 24, 2005, 05:28AM »
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Quote from: Ismenio on November 23, 2005, 01:54PM   

I've decided that I wouldn't upgrade my 2.2 to 2.4 even if that was available. But, I'm curious, do you think that upgrade is still possible today? How hard is it to find those EPROMs?



Hmmmmm Ismenio...if you ever find these V2.4 Eproms let me know They would be unique!
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Re:Tasc 2.2 / 2.5 what's the difference
« Reply #4 on: November 24, 2005, 01:44AM »
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Quote from: Ismenio on November 23, 2005, 01:54PM   

Hi Stefan,

I'm very interested in seeing these results!
I've decided that I wouldn't upgrade my 2.2 to 2.4 even if that was available. But, I'm curious, do you think that upgrade is still possible today? How hard is it to find those EPROMs?

I don't know, how difficult it is, to find original EPROMs!

But that's absolutely no problem, if you have the right equipment! 

you need an EPROMMER (EPROM-burner), two 128x8-EPROMs (e.g. 27C1001 or 27C010), the files and way you go!


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Re:Tasc 2.2 / 2.5 what's the difference
« Reply #5 on: November 23, 2005, 01:54PM »
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Hi Stefan,

I'm very interested in seeing these results!
I've decided that I wouldn't upgrade my 2.2 to 2.4 even if that was available. But, I'm curious, do you think that upgrade is still possible today? How hard is it to find those EPROMs?

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Re:Tasc 2.2 / 2.5 what's the difference
« Reply #6 on: November 23, 2005, 01:15PM »
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Quote from: drawmeister on November 21, 2005, 11:38AM   

Version 2.5 is considered to be stronger than 2.2, but recently some collectors at schachcomputer.info found that this is not the case. In rapid chess V2.2 seems to be as strong as V2.5.
So it is just a question of taste....

Christian


Christian,

you are right even in tounament chess it currently looks like that the V2.2 is stronger. However, I would not bet for it, because the statistical errror is still large.  I might be able soon to clarify this further as a french chess friend (thanks in advance Erik!) is willing to borrow me his R30 . I will then have the opportunity to play a match V2.5 vs V2.2 on tounament level. I will start this as soon as I will have some time for this. I'll keep you updated at http://www.schachcomputer.info

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Re:Tasc 2.2 / 2.5 what's the difference
« Reply #7 on: November 23, 2005, 12:16AM »
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Quote from: Endspielgott on November 21, 2005, 11:51AM   

the 2.2 Version is the older and more agressive Version of the DeKoning-Program. The 2.5 Version is still agressive, but pays more attention to positional requirements
The program is stored on two eproms, so the upgrade to the 2.5 version is done by exchanging the program eproms. The eproms are socketed, so the exchange is easy.
Version 2.5 is considered to be stronger than 2.2, but recently some collectors at schachcomputer.info found that this is not the case. In rapid chess V2.2 seems to be as strong as V2.5.
So it is just a question of taste....

Smartboards:
There is the SB 20 with 1 LED each square (64) and SB 30 with 1 LED at the corner of each square (91 total).
Apparently the SB 20 does NOT work with the Tasc V2.2, only with V2.5. The SB 30 works with both program Versions.
The SB 20 has got two additional LED's which indicate whose turn it is. These two are missing at the SB 30.

I am sure Robert knows more...

You have said already everything, what i know! 

The only point, that i want to add: you can see the version number in the System menu.

I have heard from an employee of Schach Niggemann, that many people returned their upgraded 2.5, because they wanted the version 2.2 back! 


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Re:Tasc 2.2 / 2.5 what's the difference
« Reply #8 on: November 22, 2005, 09:36AM »
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Thanks Christian, That is very helpful.   

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Re:Tasc 2.2 / 2.5 what's the difference
« Reply #9 on: November 21, 2005, 11:51AM »
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Quote from: drawmeister on November 21, 2005, 11:38AM   

Silly question time probably but i have no shame......

As the title says what makes the Tasc 2.2 version different from the 2.5 ? and how can you tell which one you have. I am presuming that the 2.5 was the later program improvement but is it all in the same housing ?.

I also remember when i very briefly had mine that there were 2 different smart boards, was it something to do with the number of led's on the board ?.

Thanks in advance

Ian.


Ian,

the 2.2 Version is the older and more agressive Version of the DeKoning-Program. The 2.5 Version is still agressive, but pays more attention to positional requirements
The program is stored on two eproms, so the upgrade to the 2.5 version is done by exchanging the program eproms. The eproms are socketed, so the exchange is easy.
Version 2.5 is considered to be stronger than 2.2, but recently some collectors at schachcomputer.info found that this is not the case. In rapid chess V2.2 seems to be as strong as V2.5.
So it is just a question of taste....

Smartboards:
There is the SB 20 with 1 LED each square (64) and SB 30 with 1 LED at the corner of each square (91 total).
Apparently the SB 20 does NOT work with the Tasc V2.2, only with V2.5. The SB 30 works with both program Versions.
The SB 20 has got two additional LED's which indicate whose turn it is. These two are missing at the SB 30.

I am sure Robert knows more...

Christian
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Tasc 2.2 / 2.5 what's the difference
« Reply #10 on: November 21, 2005, 11:38AM »
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Silly question time probably but i have no shame......

As the title says what makes the Tasc 2.2 version different from the 2.5 ? and how can you tell which one you have. I am presuming that the 2.5 was the later program improvement but is it all in the same housing ?.

I also remember when i very briefly had mine that there were 2 different smart boards, was it something to do with the number of led's on the board ?.

Thanks in advance

Ian.
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