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Re:Boris 2.5 same as Sargon 2.5?
« on: March 5, 2005, 05:42PM »
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I saw that this one was programmed by the Spracklen's, who did many of the great Fidelities in the 1980's.  My Fidelity SC9, I think, was one of the first that they did for Fidelity, and it plays a decent game. 

I have to admit, though, that the real reason I bid on this one was because it came with the manual.  No searching for how it works, this time.  Also, it was cheap.

I should be getting the Mephisto Exclusive with Polgar 10 MHz the first of the week.  I ordered a manual, along with a couple of others, from Classic Chess and Games, like you did.  Hopefully, they won't take as long with mine.

Dick Schneiders


Well it will not play as strong a game as the SC9. Sargon 2.5 was 2 or 3 years earlier. In those days the programs suffered from the horizon effect quite badly. If you survive the middle game you will give it a good thrashing in the endgame.

The later modules are a fair bit stronger (Morphy and Steinitz), though the opening and endgame module idea(Gruenfeld and Capablanca modules) was a doubtful benefit.

Mike
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Re:Boris 2.5 same as Sargon 2.5?
« Reply #1 on: March 5, 2005, 02:27PM »
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Quote from: Mike Watters on March  5, 2005, 01:13PM   

Hi All

There is no signicant difference between a Boris and a Sargon so far as I can tell. They both came in the same Modular Game System. The only miniscule difference I have found in the modules so far is that one uses the message "Boris Awaits Your Move" and the other "Sargon Awaits Your Move". Again as far as I can tell there is nothing to show which is which until you turn them on. Possibly just a marketing ploy?

Anyway a pleasure to see you are branching out into the ancient machines Dick. Late 1979. An excellent bargain too.

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I saw that this one was programmed by the Spracklen's, who did many of the great Fidelities in the 1980's.  My Fidelity SC9, I think, was one of the first that they did for Fidelity, and it plays a decent game. 

I have to admit, though, that the real reason I bid on this one was because it came with the manual.  No searching for how it works, this time.  Also, it was cheap.

I should be getting the Mephisto Exclusive with Polgar 10 MHz the first of the week.  I ordered a manual, along with a couple of others, from Classic Chess and Games, like you did.  Hopefully, they won't take as long with mine.

Dick Schneiders

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Re:Boris 2.5 same as Sargon 2.5?
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Hi All

There is no signicant difference between a Boris and a Sargon so far as I can tell. They both came in the same Modular Game System. The only miniscule difference I have found in the modules so far is that one uses the message "Boris Awaits Your Move" and the other "Sargon Awaits Your Move". Again as far as I can tell there is nothing to show which is which until you turn them on. Possibly just a marketing ploy?

Anyway a pleasure to see you are branching out into the ancient machines Dick. Late 1979. An excellent bargain too.

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Re:Boris 2.5 same as Sargon 2.5?
« Reply #3 on: March 5, 2005, 11:08AM »
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Hi Dick,

Good question. I remember reading something, but it was in German, and I *think* they're the same.

Interestingly, take a look here: http://www.xs4all.nl/~tluif/chescom/EngBorSarg.html
Here's another site where the two references are together. http://www.computerschaak.nl/comps1978.html - look at the bottom.

And welcome to the club! As a borg would say "resistance is futile"
I try hard not to buy more but it's not easy. One thing I'm trying to do is to have a personal limit. Not sure if that will work!

How about creating a support group?

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Boris 2.5 same as Sargon 2.5?
« Reply #4 on: March 5, 2005, 07:18AM »
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I purchased a Boris 2.5 modular system on eBay last night for $10.51.  I haven't seen a lot of information on the Boris computers, other than pictures of them on owners web sites.  Is it the same as the Sargon 2.5, with different labels?

It is different than the two Boris' that you have, Ismenio.  Do you know if the 2.5 is a bit later than yours?

At least this chess computer comes with the manual, adapter, and original box.  Perhaps I am learning something, finally.   

When I first got the "bug" in January with the purchase of my first Phantom, the 6100, I was going to try and limit my "collecting" to Fidelity machines.  That has not been possible.  I should have know better, as my resistance powers are very low. 

Dick Schneiders
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