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« on: January 16, 2006, 03:16PM »
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Hi Mike,

Bizarre... I'd never tried a power supply with the Classic (manual is quite clear that A/C setting is off setting only!) but have just done so and it works like a dream! - this is a useful tip, thanks!

I'm afraid I can't add anything useful about differences between versions though - I have the 'basic'  6079.

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« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2006, 02:19PM »
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One oddity I found with the Classic. The manual tells you that the machine is only battery operable. Yet it has a power socket and seems to work fine with an Excellence or Gambit power supply.

Anyone know what the difference is between a Classic model 6079 and a model 6079D ?

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« Reply #2 on: January 16, 2006, 11:12AM »
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Hi Terry, 

Welcome aboard! 

I don't have many chess computers but do have both SCC8 and Classic. Last game I played with either of these was a few months back and IIRC I was soundly beaten!  >:(

Otherwise the thing that caught my attention in your post was reference to 'Silica Shop'. Happy days!, I saved all my paper round money for a full 6 months to be able to afford an Atari 2600 VCS which I bought from Silica Shop! 

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« Reply #3 on: January 16, 2006, 05:45AM »
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Hello Terry

It is good to hear from another fellow countryman with chesscomputeritis.

The old 1992 Elo list used on Kurt Kispert's site has :-

Voice  1359
Sensory Voice  1394
Sensory 8 and Classic  1360

I tend to think of the Classic as just a Sensory 8 tarted up, given a sales friendly name and foisted on the market several years past its sell-by date. But there is quite a difference when you see them side by side. One of the main differences is the function keys on the Classic. These include a Take Back key. You can only take back the computers last move and your last move, and even then not if one was a castling move.

Thank you for mentioning the 1985 Competence brochure. I have been searching for confirmation that the Classic was indeed released in 1985. Before all I had to go on was the model numbers and a brief mention in a Sid Samole interview in CSS.

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« Reply #4 on: January 14, 2006, 01:49AM »
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...... forgot to mention that as far as I can tell the CC8 does NOT cheat. Various games with VCC,  VSC and Mini Sensory have always been spoiled by the ability for the computer to rearrange the pieces usually just as I'm about to win !!
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« Reply #5 on: January 13, 2006, 11:54PM »
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          I live in GB and have just joined and going through all the forum pages (well the ones that attract my attention). Re CC8 and Classic. I have a working and a non- working CC8. (anybody got a clue what chip usually fails on these ?)Looking through my old Competence brochures, the Classic came out with the Excellence in 1985 and - they stated that the Classic can take back moves AND think on opponent's time !! Whether that's a missprint I don't know but none of the early Z80 based machines could do either of these functions.  I did play with a Sensory 6 years ago which had a TB take-back button (?) the program was modular - I wrote down all the details CPU,ROM and little else. I assumed that it could have been the Mini-Sensory Advanced program but that's just a guess. I reckon it was about the same strength as CC8 as it suited my ability (max approx 1350 ELO), I owned and was regularly thrashed by a CC9 at the time (I wish I hadn't sold it now).
        For the record Computers I have owned: Chess Traveller (Sci-Sys) from Silica Shop 1981-1986 ish. Fidelity Sensory 9 (June 1982 - 1986, also Silica Shop), Mephisto Exclusive III (March 1986 from Eureka Electronics). Advanced Star Chess 1986 and still own (wonderful machine -shame about the casing, it would look much better in the Mini-Sensory casing I also own ). Mephisto MM2 (1987 Eureka again), sold both Mephisto Modules to Countrywide Computers (whom I earlier traded in Sensory 9 for ASC) for a Roma 68000. Then traded that and upgraded to Vancouver 68000 in 1993.  Two years ago thought I'd quite like to 'collect' a few of Fidelity's machines from the old days. I now also have 2 Fidelity Voice Sensory Challengers (different innards so they must have altered the types of ROM maybe not the program). One of these dosn't work. I also acquired a Fidelity VCC - that cost me about 35 but a heck of a lot more to import from the USA, so I won't be doing that again. Then about a year ago got the 2 CC8's (or as Fidelity called them SCC) again as mentioned above one dosn't work but the one that does I won on Ebay for 1 (!!!!!!!!). Incidentally I find this program is extremely well written considering there's only 4KB Rom. Also It suits my ability - I have to be on my toes for the ASC on level 1 (I've not a chance in hell against the Vancouver - still that's the one for analysing). I also reckon CC8 is about the same strength as VSC and definately stronger than VCC. 
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« Reply #6 on: March 17, 2005, 03:31AM »
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Quote from: Mike Watters on March 16, 2005, 02:42PM   

Dick

That Mike should shut his big mouth. I have a pile of Modular Game Systems here with not a box in sight.

Trade bait! I haven't got any boxes to trade. 

Only these old chess computers.

Mike


Are there two Mikes here, like I think there are two Daniels?  Or do you have multiple personalities - the one that keeps buying chess gizmoes, and the one that wants to stop. 

I would be willing to trade away my dusty old boxes for chess computers.  Only your doubles, like the Tasc, for starters. 

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« Reply #7 on: March 16, 2005, 07:49PM »
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Hmmm... I think others here may be able to help you both! Help dick get rid of his annoying boxes and give Mike more room for his coming babies!

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That Mike should shut his big mouth. I have a pile of Modular Game Systems here with not a box in sight.

Trade bait! I haven't got any boxes to trade. 

Only these old chess computers.

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Quote from: Ismenio on March 16, 2005, 06:57AM   

Dick, I'm interested in the box from your 2nd Eldorado

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Is that all?! 

Do you have the boxes for the CC8 and the Classic?  Do you have both of these versions of this computer?

I'm not buying all of these boxes to store in my basement.  They are trade bait, baby! 

When I get these 5 computers, and am able to determine what I have and the condition, then we might be able to work something out. 

I also have the original box for the Boris 2.5 MGS and the separate box for the module.

I am beginning to think I should start a small business buying and selling boxes.  I think Mike has a very good idea.

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Dick, I'm interested in the box from your 2nd Eldorado

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Quote:I really didn't want the computers at all, just the boxes.  Hopefully, Ismenio doesn't have these boxes and I can trade them to him for something. 

One thing I don't understand, though, is why I woke up this morning with the mantra "I want them all, I want them all", repeating in my head. 

Dick Schneiders


Dick

You have hit on something here. Just like some people collect record sleeves and dispose of the records you could collect chess computer boxes and dispose of the chess computers. Of course you would need someone to take the chess computers off your hands. That is a bit of a problem. 

I find a temporary cure for the "I want them all" disease is to look at a huge collection list (say Karsten B's) and think of all the chess computers it doesn't contain. But then some damn fool goes and mentions a real gem - like the Rolls Royce of 1979/80 the Novag Super System III with program module, LCD board unit, printer, quartz clock, memory module and rechargeable battery all in a really neat leather suitcase, and that starts me off all over again.

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« Reply #12 on: March 15, 2005, 03:45AM »
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Quote from: Mike Watters on March 15, 2005, 01:07AM   


They both feature on Kurts Meine 100 list.  And if I have translated correctly you are now a fully paid up Fidelity Freak.

Congratulations!!! 

Mike


Yes, I just checked Kurt's 100 list, thanks for the reference.  I have been to that list often, but neglected to check it out this time.  It does appear that the LED's is the only difference, equating to a 50 Euro cost savings.

My German is getting better - I didn't need to translate the descriptions on these machines to get the gist of what he was saying.

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It appears that, once again, I am noticing a slight variance between two similar models that are often spoken of as being the same.

There are two versions, I think, of the Fidelity CC8.  There is a cheaper version that was called the Classic.  The most obvious difference is that the Classic only has 16 LED's, but the CC8 has 64, one on each square.  Are there any other differences between these two versions?

I assume that the processor is the same for both?

Confused again,

Dick Schneiders
Dick

The short answer is I don't know. I think I have instructions for each so I will check it out.

They both feature on Kurts Meine 100 list.  And if I have translated correctly you are now a fully paid up Fidelity Freak.

Congratulations!!! 

Mike


Yes, I purchased both versions last night on Buy It Now options.  They both come with boxes and manuals and everything.  They were package deals.  The Classic was in a group of 3, that also included a Fidelity Eldorado and Radio Shack 1680, also with boxes, etc.  The CC8 was with something called a Hampton II Chess and Checkers by Halex - a small, peg board type, again with boxes. 

I really didn't want the computers at all, just the boxes.  Hopefully, Ismenio doesn't have these boxes and I can trade them to him for something. 

One thing I don't understand, though, is why I woke up this morning with the mantra "I want them all, I want them all", repeating in my head. 

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Quote from: Dick Schneiders on March 14, 2005, 06:34PM   

It appears that, once again, I am noticing a slight variance between two similar models that are often spoken of as being the same.

There are two versions, I think, of the Fidelity CC8.  There is a cheaper version that was called the Classic.  The most obvious difference is that the Classic only has 16 LED's, but the CC8 has 64, one on each square.  Are there any other differences between these two versions?

I assume that the processor is the same for both?

Confused again,

Dick Schneiders
Dick

The short answer is I don't know. I think I have instructions for each so I will check it out.

They both feature on Kurts Meine 100 list.  And if I have translated correctly you are now a fully paid up Fidelity Freak.

Congratulations!!! 

Mike
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It appears that, once again, I am noticing a slight variance between two similar models that are often spoken of as being the same.

There are two versions, I think, of the Fidelity CC8.  There is a cheaper version that was called the Classic.  The most obvious difference is that the Classic only has 16 LED's, but the CC8 has 64, one on each square.  Are there any other differences between these two versions?

I assume that the processor is the same for both?

Confused again,

Dick Schneiders
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