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Quote from: Ismenio on February 20, 2006, 04:54PM   

Wow, connecting it to a PC????!!! That doesn't sound like Steve at all!!! 

Once i tried to help Steve to connect his Star Sapphire to his PC to use the Universal Board with it. But his notebook had only one serial port and this is not enough for this!


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Re:Saitek Kasparov Auto Chessboard.
« Reply #1 on: February 20, 2006, 09:35PM »
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But this could be the year I may get a Treo running Mobile Windows so I may finally join the happy users of CEBoard


As of today, CEBoard does not handle the square screen of the Treo (some times ago, all PPCs were 240x320) but I'll do the changes to support it if you buy this device.

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Quote from: Alain Zanchetta on February 18, 2006, 10:25PM   

Hi,

thanks a lot Ismenio for another great post 

I am still a bit puzzled : when I read this thread of mails, it looks that Mephisto / Kasparov / Saitek board is the same, and the only other physical board is the Tasc : the "Auto 232" on serial link is as far as I know a protocol to link several computers to play automatic games, I have implemented this protocol in CEBoard to allow Arena to play matches between an engine running on the PC and an engine running on the Pocket PC.
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But Steve B. has indicated (http://www.talkchess.com/forums/1/message.html?487346) that he connected his Saitek board to the serial interface of the PC...
In this case, there is a new "ebay target" for me  , because this makes another board to connect to CEBoard 

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Wow, connecting it to a PC????!!! That doesn't sound like Steve at all!!! 
I don't think I even have my CCC account anymore so I don't know what's going on over there (no time ) but I'm guessing that the PC crowed there must have something to do with this 

Just joking of course!

But this could be the year I may get a Treo running Mobile Windows so I may finally join the happy users of CEBoard

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Hi,

thanks a lot Ismenio for another great post 

I am still a bit puzzled : when I read this thread of mails, it looks that Mephisto / Kasparov / Saitek board is the same, and the only other physical board is the Tasc : the "Auto 232" on serial link is as far as I know a protocol to link several computers to play automatic games, I have implemented this protocol in CEBoard to allow Arena to play matches between an engine running on the PC and an engine running on the Pocket PC.
...
But Steve B. has indicated (http://www.talkchess.com/forums/1/message.html?487346) that he connected his Saitek board to the serial interface of the PC...
In this case, there is a new "ebay target" for me  , because this makes another board to connect to CEBoard 

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Re:Saitek Kasparov Auto Chessboard.
« Reply #4 on: February 18, 2006, 06:51PM »
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I'm not if any of the info below is of interest but I found it on the rec.games.chess.computer newsgroup and just thought I would re-post it here. I'm pasting it exacly as it shows up ont the newsgroup thread.

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From:        MT5629 - view profile
Date:        Fri, Jul 4 1997 12:00 am
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Has anyone used the Auto Chessboard with a PC? From a picture, it looked fairly
well made with auto sensing mechanism and parallel port interface. I like to
know if anyone has experience with it in terms of convenience, ease of
interface and etc.
I always feel that I can think a little better looking at a real board than
at a computer screen, or maybe that's just my excuse for losing :-).

g.huang
g...@bell-labs.com

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From:        ChessMast - view profile
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I've had no experience with the Saitek, but would appreciate any info. on
all PC boards.

I've heard of Tasc Smartboard, Mephisto PC board, and Chess 232 PC board.
The Smartboard is connected to the parallel port, and the 232 board is
connected to the serial port.  The Smartboard sells for around $700 and
can also be connected to a stand-alone module (R30 - King program). 

Unfortunately this sums up my knowledge of auto chessboards. 

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From:        Komputer Korner - view profile
Date:        Mon, Jul 7 1997 12:00 am
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ChessMast wrote:
> I've had no experience with the Saitek, but would appreciate any info.
> on
> all PC boards.

>  I've heard of Tasc Smartboard, Mephisto PC board, and Chess 232 PC
> board.
>  The Smartboard is connected to the parallel port, and the 232 board
> is
> connected to the serial port.  The Smartboard sells for around $700
> and
> can also be connected to a stand-alone module (R30 - King program).

> Unfortunately this sums up my knowledge of auto chessboards.

Albert Silver quoted this:"From what I understand, the best board around
is supposedly the TASC
SmartBoard (biggest and recognizes individual pieces) but at the time
when I bought a board it was running at $800. I opted for the Kasparov
PC Autoboard, which is also supported by the program I use: Rebel 8.0.
TASC claims that their board is also compatible with it, but the program

itself doesn't come with a driver to use it (whereas I can just click on

a menu function to start the Autoboard) and I've heard all sorts of
stories concerning compatibility problems. This wasn't the biggest issue

though as I found out most of this later, the issue was the price. The
PC Autoboard, which I got at ICD Chess, ran for $270 and was only
slightly smaller. I've been using it with great pleasure and have no
complaints. As for the 232, I know nothing about it."

The Mephisto PC Autoboard is also called the Kasparov PC Autoboard
which is manufactured by Saitek. Genius 4, Rebel 8, Zarkov, Fritz and
Kasparov's Gambit are compatible with it. There are differences
in set up from the other 2 boards. Read the CCR Vol. 5 No. 2 for an
explanation. Smartboard runs with Rebel Decade 1.2

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Note that my true email is still kor...@netcom.ca
I don't often check the email of the sympatico address.

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From:        HWegner310 - view profile
Date:        Tues, Jul 8 1997 12:00 am
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Im Artikel <33C07365.F80B...@netcom.ca>, Komputer Korner
<korn...@netcom.ca> schreibt:

>The Mephisto PC Autoboard is also called the Kasparov PC Autoboard
>which is manufactured by Saitek. Genius 4, Rebel 8, Zarkov, Fritz and
>Kasparov's Gambit are compatible with it. There are differences
>in set up from the other 2 boards. Read the CCR Vol. 5 No. 2 for an
>explanation. Smartboard runs with Rebel Decade 1.2

Zarkov Which version of Zarkov do you have. I only know, that in
Germany was published a picture with the Mephisto (Saitek) Autoboard,
where Zarkov was in a monitorscreen. I asked J. Stanback via e-mail if he
had published a version which is compatible. He told me, that it was
planed, but he didn't release this version.

By the way, your list is not korrekt anyway. The Autoboard is compaible
to: Fritz 3.07..., Rebel 6+, 7,8, Rebel Decade, Genius 3, 4, 5 (Version 4
with some problems), VirtiaChess 1.0 (dos), VirtuaChess Platinum (dos),
Mephisto Advantage (engine from Rebel 6).
Price in Germany: 349,-

The Chess232-board is the most compatible PC-board:
Genius 1,2,3(dos),5 (dos), Fritz 2,3, Rebel decade, 6,7,8, Hiarcs 3,4,5,6,
MCP 3.5,4,5,6, WChess, Gandalf 2.1 Comet A63, Crafty 11.18...(dos), Diep,
Isichess 2.5, Nimzo 3, 3.5,.
Price in Germany: DM 399,-

The Tascboard is compaible to:
Genius 3.01, 4,5, Rebel decade, 6,7, 8 (with 4-board-option),  Hiarcs
4,5,6, Fritz 3.04..., MCP 3.5, 4, but not 5 and 6 ,WChess, Chessica, The
King (Tascbase), (it is not compatible to Chessmaster 5000!!)
Price in Gemany: DM 795,-

I hope I didn't forget a program.

Greetings,
Hannu Wegner

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Im Artikel <19970708213201.RAA16...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
hwegner...@aol.com (HWegner310) schreibt:

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>By the way, your list is not korrekt anyway. The Autoboard is compaible
>to: Fritz 3.07..., Rebel 6+, 7,8, Rebel Decade, Genius 3, 4, 5 (Version 4
>with some problems), VirtiaChess 1.0 (dos), VirtuaChess Platinum (dos),
>Mephisto Advantage (engine from Rebel 6).
>Price in Germany: 349,-

>The Chess232-board is the most compatible PC-board:
>Genius 1,2,3(dos),5 (dos), Fritz 2,3, Rebel decade, 6,7,8, Hiarcs
3,4,5,6,
>MCP 3.5,4,5,6, WChess, Gandalf 2.1 Comet A63, Crafty 11.18...(dos), Diep,
>Isichess 2.5, Nimzo 3, 3.5,.
>Price in Germany: DM 399,-

>The Tascboard is compaible to:
>Genius 3.01, 4,5, Rebel decade, 6,7, 8 (with 4-board-option),  Hiarcs
>4,5,6, Fritz 3.04..., MCP 3.5, 4, but not 5 and 6 ,WChess, Chessica, The
>King (Tascbase), (it is not compatible to Chessmaster 5000!!)
>Price in Gemany: DM 795,-

>I hope I didn't forget a program.

Of course I forgot a program: Kallisto 1.98 and Kallisto 1.83 are
compatible to the Chess 232-board and to the Tascboard

Greetings,
Hannu Wegner

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From:        Lawrence S. Tamarkin - view profile
Date:        Thurs, Jul 10 1997 12:00 am
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VLDept-G.HUANG(MT5629)1239MT wrote in article <5pjimc$...@nntpb.cb.lucent.c
om>...

>Has anyone used the Auto Chessboard with a PC? From a picture, it looked
fairly
>well made with auto sensing mechanism and parallel port interface. I like
to
>know if anyone has experience with it in terms of convenience, ease of
>interface and etc.
>I always feel that I can think a little better looking at a real board
than
>at a computer screen, or maybe that's just my excuse for losing :-).

>g.huang
>g...@bell-labs.com

I bought the Kasparov auto board shortly after it came out for around
$300.00.

Compared to the TASC Smartboard it is not a good value. I played on the
smart board against R30 at Yasser Seirawans 'Seattle Mind Games' many
times. When you move a piece on the TASC board the computer registers the
move easily and in a 'feather' sensitive way - really beautiful and worth
the money if you can afford it.  I could not, so I have bought other TASC
products which are also splendid.

The Kasparov board (which came with the Mephisto Advantage program when I
bought it) is by comparison a disappointment. The moves do not always
register as you make them, often you have to keep sliding the piece about
until the reed switch on the board somehow 'senses' your move - very
annoying! It now just sits in my closet unused.

I suspect that the reason it is being offered now for such a low price is
because the retailer companies likely have a lot of unsold units sitting
around after word got out that it was such a bummer to use.  Perhaps if the
smartboard din't exist, it wouldn't seem so bad by comparison.

Larry Tamarkin

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From:        ICD/Your Move Chess & Games - view profile
Date:        Thurs, Jul 10 1997 12:00 am
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On Thu, 10 Jul 1997 10:31:42 -0700, "Lawrence S. Tamarkin"

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> VLDept-G.HUANG(MT5629)1239MT wrote in article <5pjimc$...@nntpb.cb.lucent.c
>om>...

>>Has anyone used the Auto Chessboard with a PC? From a picture, it looked
>fairly
>>well made with auto sensing mechanism and parallel port interface. I like
>to
>>know if anyone has experience with it in terms of convenience, ease of
>>interface and etc.
>>I always feel that I can think a little better looking at a real board
>than
>>at a computer screen, or maybe that's just my excuse for losing :-).

>>g.huang
>>g...@bell-labs.com

>I bought the Kasparov auto board shortly after it came out for around
>$300.00.

>Compared to the TASC Smartboard it is not a good value. I played on the
>smart board against R30 at Yasser Seirawans 'Seattle Mind Games' many
>times. When you move a piece on the TASC board the computer registers the
>move easily and in a 'feather' sensitive way - really beautiful and worth
>the money if you can afford it.  I could not, so I have bought other TASC
>products which are also splendid.

>The Kasparov board (which came with the Mephisto Advantage program when I
>bought it) is by comparison a disappointment. The moves do not always
>register as you make them, often you have to keep sliding the piece about
>until the reed switch on the board somehow 'senses' your move - very
>annoying! It now just sits in my closet unused.

>I suspect that the reason it is being offered now for such a low price is
>because the retailer companies likely have a lot of unsold units sitting
>around after word got out that it was such a bummer to use.  Perhaps if the
>smartboard din't exist, it wouldn't seem so bad by comparison.

>Larry Tamarkin

>mrslug

Hi Larry,
I believe the sudden interest over the Kasparov/Saitek
PC Autoboard was caused by an e-mail promotion that we
began within the last week.

I cannot disagree that the TASC Smartboard is a nicer
product than the Kasparov/Saitek PC Autoboard, and
perhaps if the price difference were slight, it would
be foolish for our customers to opt for the Kasparov model.
But the price difference back in June of 1995, when you
bought the PC Autoboard from us, was $1900. ($399 when
not on sale vs. $2300 for the TASC unit). I am
a bit puzzled as to why you did not take advantage of
our two week refund policy if you were not happy with
the PC Autoboard?

The sensors on the PC Autoboard are not quite as sensitive
as the Smartboard, but as long as one is cognizant of the need to
have the piece in the center of the square, it works rather
smoothly. Additionally, we find that the PC Autoboard is dependent
upon the software being used. We have found that with Rebel 8
the board works very well.

Sometime in 1996 the Smartboard began to be sold alone
as a PC board for somewhere in the vicinity of $700.
A bit later, TASC came out with a lower end model that sold
for about $600.

The difference (between PC Autoboard and Smartboard),
until now, has never been less than $200 for the boards alone.
Now (with our special closeout), the difference is
at least $450!

Your suspected reason for the very low price on the PC
Autoboard is incorrect. We, as a retailer, had absolutely no
PC Autoboards in stock when we received a call from Saitek.
They had several offers for us (supposedly to boost the usual
quiet summer sales season) including a very special price
if we took all of their remaining PC Autoboards. The price
they gave us allowed us to promote the product at $149.95
(over 60% and $250 less than our regular price).

We never would have opted to take the whole lot if we did
not think that it was a great value for our customers.

If you add to that the fact that the Smartboard is currently
immersed in patent infringement litigation and does not exist
(at least here in the U.S.), that makes the PC Autoboard
a VERY attractive product. And since they are almost sold out
as of this writing, our customers seem to agree.

We have, in the two years that the PC Autoboard has been in
existence, sold a whole bunch, and we have had only two
returned units in all that time. It did not quite sell
like hot cakes for $400 but at $149.95, I think it is a
tremendous value and current sales have borne that out.

As the largest seller of Tasc R-30s in the U.S., we were also
very pleased with the Smartboard and wish we could continue to
sell them to those who have $600 or $700 to spend on this
project, but this is a strange, strange business we are in...

Regards, Steve (ICD/Your Move Chess & Games)

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From:        Jim Coons - view profile
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I Just got my Kasparov PC Autoboard and It seems to work great. So far I
have used it with Rebel 8 and Chess Genius. What I would like to no if
there is any interfavce software which would allow it to work with a
Chess Server like Internet Chess Club.

Jim

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Re:Saitek Kasparov Auto Chessboard.
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Hello Barrie,

I'm not sure that this is the same or not but I have uploaded the manual of my Mephisto PC Board on my web site.
The direct link to the PDF is
http://alain.zanchetta.free.fr/docs/mephisto/MephistoPCDE.pdf

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Saitek Kasparov Auto Chessboard.
« Reply #6 on: February 16, 2006, 07:09PM »
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Hi. All Chess Forum Members / Guests.

Is there any body out there that might be able to give me any information on the Saitek Kasparov P.C. Auto Chessboard.  Art. No: 573 any information with spec / software / Manual would be of help to me, come on don't be shy.  I am sure there are some experts amongst us just waiting to show off their knowledge.

Salutations.  Barrie.
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