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Re:Saitek Exclusive Senator - Good Value?
« on: April 12, 2006, 01:04PM »
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Hi Bryan,


Quote from: Mephisto on April 12, 2006, 08:50AM   

I think that the only way I could afford it is to bill you for those graphics I did for your CEBoard.
So lets say 1000 for cash and I'll also let you borrow the module for a couple of weeks a year if you'll come over the channel and pick it up !!

well, I already give back you 100% of the money I get from CEBoard... may be I could make it 110% ?

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« Reply #1 on: April 12, 2006, 08:50AM »
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Alain
I daren't even tell my wife how much the new module will cost.
I think that the only way I could afford it is to bill you for those graphics I did for your CEBoard.
So lets say 1000 for cash and I'll also let you borrow the module for a couple of weeks a year if you'll come over the channel and pick it up !!
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Re:Saitek Exclusive Senator - Good Value?
« Reply #2 on: April 11, 2006, 11:53PM »
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Hi all,

I can confirm that the WAF (Wife Acceptance Factor) of the Res module is quite low here too...
I wanted to buy a Res if Ruud makes this new series but I think I'll have to give up 

Still fighting regards,

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« Reply #3 on: April 11, 2006, 01:23PM »
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Hi Robert / ergundel 

Many thanks both for your thoughts on this and for taking the time to post these 


Hi Mike 


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Chris is there anything we can do to help convince Mrs T that she needs Resurrection modules in the house?


hmm, I suspect nothing that doesn't involve me being in a different house      I can't see the three of us coexisting happily under the same roof!  (so when is she leaving I hear you all ask!  ). The words 'obsessed' and 'chess' and a third unmentionable one were used in the same sentence so as a first step I have quickly resolved to cut down my PC chess stuff.

Best wishes all


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Re:Saitek Exclusive Senator - Good Value?
« Reply #4 on: April 10, 2006, 05:20PM »
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Just my two cents, having had both the older board and the newer board.

Personally, I don't think there is much difference between the two boards. Yes, the new board is not all wood, like the older board, but visually I can't tell the difference. The drawer doesn't open as smoothly in the newer model, but I actually thought it opened TOO smoothly before, since I had it on a desk that wasn't perfectly level, and it kept popping open (or sliding shut). They also removed the battery section, which made construction more solid, but now the A/C adapter is essential.

The electronics are noticably better than before. The old board required much stronger magnets in the pieces, which was annoying at times, since the pieces would sometimes grab onto each other.

The pieces aren't quite as nice as they once were. The color  in the black pieces doesn't look as natural. There are minor defects on some of the pieces. And I prefer the old knights, which had a lot more detail. But overall, the visual quality of the board and pieces very close to that of the old machine, and better than my old Novag Expert. I just wish some company made after market pieces with REALLY nice wood. Considering how much we pay for the board, it's a shame the pieces cost (and are worth) only $25 per set.

I'm glad that I never actually saw a Munich board, because I don't think the Exclusive could withstand the comparison.

As far as the program, the Senator is really very strong. It won't compare to some of the fastest machines Mephisto made in the past, but it's probably stronger than anything Mephisto made in this price range before. As far as I know, the Senator is the only thinking wooden board you can buy today. If it had any competition, Saitek would probably have to add hash tables and some extra speed, and maybe they'd have to pay more attention to bugs like the draw problem. But only a few customers seem to care much - and those people still buy the Senator just so they can dump the module for a Resurrection. So Saitek has little incentive.
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« Reply #5 on: April 10, 2006, 01:01PM »
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I was surprised at the price too. Steve said he will let me know if any more come in so I'll let everyone here know in case they're interested. Hopefully the 20% off deal will still be running.
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« Reply #6 on: April 10, 2006, 10:43AM »
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That really is the lowest price I've seen for a new unit.
This is one I was thinking about buying a couple of years ago. I'm happy that I got my Exclusive board with an MMIV module instead. Like Mike said, the quality can be seen in all its details.

Just out of curiosity I was checking the prices around and you can really see a wide range out there:

Amazon (UK) $786.44 / 449.99 GBP
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0000ZGZGS/202-4860901-5916659

TheChessPiece.com $699.00 / 402.00 GBP
http://www.thechesspiece.com/products.asp?cat=94

ClassicChessAndGames.com $575.00 / 329.00 GBP
http://www.classicchessandgames.com/MephistoExclusiveSenatorChessComputerModelCT08.htm



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Re:Saitek Exclusive Senator - Good Value?
« Reply #7 on: April 10, 2006, 10:13AM »
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Quote from: Degradation on April 10, 2006, 10:08AM   

Which country's ebay usually has them?

Thanks,
Mark


Mark,

you will find them very often in Germany (ebay.de)

Good luck,

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Re:Saitek Exclusive Senator - Good Value?
« Reply #8 on: April 10, 2006, 10:08AM »
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Unfortunately, the computer actually turned out to be out of stock with none available currently at Saitek USA. Steve at chess USA also indicated there have been problems with the Sentaor modules and the chip manufacturer is having problems meeting demand from Saitek. So I'm again on the prowl. Thanks for the advice and I will now look for an MMIV or older board/module combination. Which country's ebay usually has them?

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Re:Saitek Exclusive Senator - Good Value?
« Reply #9 on: April 10, 2006, 05:47AM »
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Quote from: Mike Watters on April 10, 2006, 12:18AM   




I liked victim-joyful attack style and sports club mate attacks.


All the best
Mike


Hey Mike,

maybe the victims of the attack feel still joyful afterwards because of the marvellous performance of their chess computer

Christian
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Re:Saitek Exclusive Senator - Good Value?
« Reply #10 on: April 10, 2006, 05:34AM »
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Quote from: Chris on April  9, 2006, 02:24PM   

Thanks for this advice, I must confess I have been thinking about getting a senator mainly because I need a board to house the prospective resurrection module that I am hoping to get, (although to be frank, I may be pushing my luck here as domestic negotiations are not progressing in my favour at the moment!  ).  Anyway, I intend to get a board whatever, but following your comments I think I'll now settle on one with an older module.

This is surely the better option as you can get a Milano pro (should have the same program as the Senator, but without the Draw-bug, that was discussed here recently!) for less than 50 Euro (if you are interested in the Senator program)

And you can get an older Exclusive board with MM IV for less than 150 Euro. So you get 2 computers instead of one for the half price and it is the nicer board too! 


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Re:Saitek Exclusive Senator - Good Value?
« Reply #11 on: April 10, 2006, 12:18AM »
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$490 is certainly a good price Mark. In Britain the lowest price I found was 430 which is about $750.

On German Ebay they turn up regular as clockwork selling for 400-450 Euros new.

Talking of chess computer prices this one on Ebay surprised me.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Schachcomputer-Novag-Super-Constellation_W0QQitemZ8788334332QQcategoryZ40855QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

No box and a slightly dodgy switch? Babelfish has some fun with the translation :-

The super Constellation is inspired a classical author of computer chess, with victim-joyful attack style. The PSH algorithms makes possible to introduce the sports club matte attacks and accomplish, without it this concretely in the search tree calculated. 100 % functionally, almost new condition, power switch with easy bad contact however not continues to disturb

I liked victim-joyful attack style and sports club mate attacks.

Chris is there anything we can do to help convince Mrs T that she needs Resurrection modules in the house? As for a sale, watch this space.

All the best
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« Reply #12 on: April 9, 2006, 05:18PM »
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I ended up ordering a Saitek Exclusive Senator from chessusa.com. They have an online 20% off coupon which brought the total to $490 delivered in the US.

This is the best price I've seen so I thought I'd share the info.
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« Reply #13 on: April 9, 2006, 02:24PM »
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Hi Mike 


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The older German Mephisto boards are much nicer than the current ones IMHO. The current Saitek boards are Chinese made, part plastic/part wood and the components are not of the same high standard eg the draw does not pull out so smoothly.

Again I much prefer some of the older modules to the Senator, which I think was a backward step in strength, programming and features.




Thanks for this advice, I must confess I have been thinking about getting a senator mainly because I need a board to house the prospective resurrection module that I am hoping to get, (although to be frank, I may be pushing my luck here as domestic negotiations are not progressing in my favour at the moment!  ).  Anyway, I intend to get a board whatever, but following your comments I think I'll now settle on one with an older module.


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If you are still keen on buying an Exclusive/Senator combination you can buy mine off me if you wish


You're not having a general sale are you!   

Best wishes


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« Reply #14 on: April 8, 2006, 09:09AM »
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Thanks so much for the info and the offer Mike. I sent you a private message.
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Re:Saitek Exclusive Senator - Good Value?
« Reply #15 on: April 8, 2006, 04:49AM »
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Hi Mark

This is very much personal preference. How much do you value having a brand new chess computer?

The older German Mephisto boards are much nicer than the current ones IMHO. The current Saitek boards are Chinese made, part plastic/part wood and the components are not of the same high standard eg the draw does not pull out so smoothly.

Again I much prefer some of the older modules to the Senator, which I think was a backward step in strength, programming and features.

If you are still keen on buying an Exclusive/Senator combination you can buy mine off me if you wish. The board and modules came separately but neither have been used more than a few times and are in mint condition. But I guess having read the above you may have been put off. 

All the best
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Saitek Exclusive Senator - Good Value?
« Reply #16 on: April 7, 2006, 01:32PM »
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Hi, it is coming up on my birthday and I'm contemplating purchasing myself a good wooden chess computer with the possibility of adding a resurrection module later on. These seem to be going for $550 -$600 new. Are they worth it? Would you recommend looking on ebay.de or other places to find a used one with an older module?

Thanks, Mark
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