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Re:You're slipping a bit, Mike
« on: March 10, 2005, 06:55AM »
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Texas, where this Voice Excellence is located, is only about 8 hours drive from my house.  If you have any problems, let me know, and I could email the seller and apply some "strong arm" tactics!  A suggestion that a large, war veteran, like myself, might pay them a visit in a big black car with dark tinted windows, might just be enough to get some action out of them. 

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Ouch!! Now you are trying to make me sorry for them. It sounds like a tactic to hold in reserve. I usually just use the relentlessly polite tactic which often confuses the enemy. Your way would be more fun. Though Dick in this case it is a lady.

Mike




Well, ladies like war veterans - at least most of them.  My wife doesn't, but that is a long story.

However, to be truthful, calling me a "war veteran" is similar to calling me a "chess player".  I am a Viet Nam vet, but was non-combat.  I was a Mandarin Chinese linguist, and flew around listening in and interpreting Chinese pilots, etc.

I carried a 45 semi-automatic pistol, but never fired it or even loaded it, even in practice. 

However, it does still impress some people when they find out that I served in Viet Nam.  Usually the wrong people, from my perspective, though.

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Re:You're slipping a bit, Mike
« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2005, 06:08AM »
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Texas, where this Voice Excellence is located, is only about 8 hours drive from my house.  If you have any problems, let me know, and I could email the seller and apply some "strong arm" tactics!  A suggestion that a large, war veteran, like myself, might pay them a visit in a big black car with dark tinted windows, might just be enough to get some action out of them. 

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Ouch!! Now you are trying to make me sorry for them. It sounds like a tactic to hold in reserve. I usually just use the relentlessly polite tactic which often confuses the enemy. Your way would be more fun. Though Dick in this case it is a lady.

Mike

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« Reply #2 on: March 10, 2005, 05:41AM »
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Dick

Your analysis is spot on IMHO. The good thing is that internet forums in all their forms allow people to talk about things and understand a little better other peoples point of view. I seem to be coming across mostly the "screw them all" folk lately, you don't have to look too far for them over here too.



This is Dick talking - I have yet to figure out how to break up the quotes!

In the back of my mind I realize that all places in the world have these sorts of people.  When I deal with them on a day to day basis, though, it is easy to forget this.  Thanks.



The Excellence is a bit beyond my 1977-1984 period. I think I am being attracted to chess computers that are a bit different, irrespective of date.  Maybe the one Steve donated got me wanting one. Whatever, I clearly need counselling before it takes root.

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I doubt that you will have any problems with this seller, as they have 100% positive feedback.  I suspect the $10 surcharge, while cheesy, was not to discourage international buyers but to simply defray the sellers perceived extra effort.

Texas, where this Voice Excellence is located, is only about 8 hours drive from my house.  If you have any problems, let me know, and I could email the seller and apply some "strong arm" tactics!  A suggestion that a large, war veteran, like myself, might pay them a visit in a big black car with dark tinted windows, might just be enough to get some action out of them. 

Dick Schneiders

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Re:You're slipping a bit, Mike
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Dick

I seem to have been slipping for years.

Your analysis is spot on IMHO. The good thing is that internet forums in all their forms allow people to talk about things and understand a little better other peoples point of view. I seem to be coming across mostly the "screw them all" folk lately, you don't have to look too far for them over here too.

The Excellence is a bit beyond my 1977-1984 period. I think I am being attracted to chess computers that are a bit different, irrespective of date.  Maybe the one Steve donated got me wanting one. Whatever, I clearly need counselling before it takes root.

Mike

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« Reply #4 on: March 10, 2005, 05:09AM »
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Hi again Dick,

I'm sorry for your wife and her sister's aggression in Europe. Nothing can justify that.

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Quote from: Alain Zanchetta on March  9, 2005, 11:20PM   

Dick,

you mentionned problems yesterday with overseas sellers.
The only problem I ever had on ebay was with an American seller who did not send the computer (I had paid it). Was it because I'm French ? obviously, it was at least because I was overseas as the seller had really good feedback.
Why am I speaking of this old story ? because of the $10 additional handling for international bidders claimed by the Excellence Voice seller. Had I not decided to make a pause, I would not have taken a risk and would have ignored this auction.

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Alain,

Yes, there is the possibility of a crook everywhere.  Ebay is a big risk for all of us, but I have been addicted to it for a long time.  I have several areas of interest, and I use eBay for just about everything, even when I need to shop for clothing.  I have only been cheated once, in more than 400 transactions, and that was for a box of inexpensive guitar strings.  I am, like all of us, very careful in analyzing the seller's feedback and trail of items generally sold.  However, as you and Mike say, that is not a guarantee of honesty any you still might be cheated. 

In some way, that might even be part of the allure of buying this way. 

I have dealt with overseas sellers and buyers several times over the years, and have had nothing but great success.  However, that has almost entirely been with much lighter items, like phonograph records, where the packing requirements and shipping costs were minimal.  My reluctance to purchase chess computers from overseas comes from more than the fear of any anti-American feelings.  I don't like long waits for stuff to arrive, and so I am generally looking at air freight which is prohibitive for these things.  Also, most of the things I would be interested in would be expensive, to begin with.  Perhaps wrongly, but I feel I have a bit more control over these deals, if they are within the bounds of my country.  My wife is fluent in French, but I know very little German, and so the language is an issue.  Many of the German auctions seem to be ambiguous in whether they will sell to overseas buyers, or not.  I have emailed a few, and always got very friendly answers, but usually a decline.

I am very frustrated about America's dealings with other countries over the past several years, and the ensuing tensions this has created between nations.  I shouldn't have allowed this frustration to come out so strongly in this forum dedicated to chess.  I apologize for that.

However, I also do fear the decline that I see in the world as regards to various nations getting along.  My wife and her sister have travelled to Europe and England a few times over the past decade or so.  They both love Europe and still do, but have noticed an increase in the anti-American sentiment over that time.  There have been several "incidents" involving them over the years, and I won't belabor this but the most recent was quite serious.  They were sitting on the bank of a river, eating lunch, when a couple of young men pushed my wife's sister into the water.  They were sitting on top of a fairly steep cliff, not all that high, but it was not a beach and the water was deep.  Her expensive camera was ruined and if she hadn't been a strong swimmer, she could have easily drowned.  They had to spend time with the police and, in fact, my sister-in-law had to go back to Europe several months later when they caught the men, for the trial.  It came out in the trial that the young men knew they were Americans and that was the reason for their actions.  We were all very thankful that it was not my wife that was pushed, as she doesn't swim well at all.

I do not blame citizens of other nations for their negative feelings towards Americans, because for the most part I think our policies over the past decade or more are the reason.  I am frustrated by many of my neighbors and friends, who don't share my beliefs, and who display too much of the "screw them all, we can take care of ourselves and don't need them", attitude towards the rest of the world. 

However, I should try and keep these feelings out of forums such as this, and I failed to do so.

Sorry for this rant about my previous rant. 

In an attempt to improve things, I will look for a German to English dictionary on eBay today. 

Dick Schneiders



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Re:You're slipping a bit, Mike
« Reply #6 on: March 10, 2005, 02:54AM »
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Hi Mike,

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It sounds to me that you did not get the computer because the seller was a crook, unless of course you got the money back?

Yes, she was a crook and I never got the money back. And it is very difficult to handle from overseas : I have some computers which took more than 2 months to come from the US, so if it takes long, you cannot know if the item has really been sent or not.

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Re:You're slipping a bit, Mike
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Quote from: Alain Zanchetta on March  9, 2005, 11:20PM   

Dick,

you mentionned problems yesterday with overseas sellers.
The only problem I ever had on ebay was with an American seller who did not send the computer (I had paid it). Was it because I'm French ? obviously, it was at least because I was overseas as the seller had really good feedback.
Why am I speaking of this old story ? because of the $10 additional handling for international bidders claimed by the Excellence Voice seller. Had I not decided to make a pause, I would not have taken a risk and would have ignored this auction.

Mike, congratulations, and I hope you will get the item.

Best,
Alain

Alain

It sounds to me that you did not get the computer because the seller was a crook, unless of course you got the money back? I have come across one criminal seller (British) on Ebay. He had good feedback but around the time I bought a chess computer he went bad collecting 300 a time from people for top of the range mobile phones and not supplying them. He actually sent the chess computer but it was faulty and I sent it back for an agreed refund, but of course I never saw it again or the money. He then put the same machine on Ebay again with a subtle change in description, sold it to Steffen Scholz, and just pocketed Steffens money. Unfortunately I did not know of Steffen then and could not warn him.

It is hard to tell character or intentions from an Ebay listing, though I agree there can be warning signs. A $10 handling fee I took as cheeky but a recognition that there is some extra effort and potential risk involved. We shall see.

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Dick,

you mentionned problems yesterday with overseas sellers.
The only problem I ever had on ebay was with an American seller who did not send the computer (I had paid it). Was it because I'm French ? obviously, it was at least because I was overseas as the seller had really good feedback.
Why am I speaking of this old story ? because of the $10 additional handling for international bidders claimed by the Excellence Voice seller. Had I not decided to make a pause, I would not have taken a risk and would have ignored this auction.

Mike, congratulations, and I hope you will get the item.

Best,
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You're slipping a bit, Mike
« Reply #9 on: March 9, 2005, 06:23PM »
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You left 5 seconds on the table in that Voice Excellence auction. 

I assume that you didn't have one of these.  I was tempted, but I decided I didn't need another Excellence, even if it did talk in four languages.

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