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« on: March 13, 2005, 06:36PM »
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That's great news Dick! You're really hacking the Phantom
Interestingly, I just got an email from Novag (at this time and on Sunday? kind of interesting!), here's what they're saying:

Dear Sir,

Novag Emerald Classic Plus was not in production for several years therefore the chess pieces were out of stock.

Suggest you contact the following company for similar items.

ICD/Your Move Chess & Games
832 N. Broadway
N. Massapequa, 11758
U.S.A.
Tel: 1-800-645-4710 (U.S.)
Tel:  (+1) 516-882-9800 (Outside U.S.)

E-Mail: icd@icdchess.com
http://www.ICDchess.com
http://www.ChessUSA.com

Best regards,

Perfect Technology Ltd.
Rm. 406-407, Yu Yuet Lai Building
43-55 Wyndham Street,
Central, Hong Kong
Tel:  (852) 2810 8202
Fax: (852) 2810 8177
E-Mail:  sales@novag.com
Web Site:  www.novag.com


Regarding the extra pieces, I also think some of them may come handy one day. I do have a couple of spare ones and also parts for other machines, not just for me but to help others when they need.

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« Reply #1 on: March 13, 2005, 04:17PM »
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What is worse, Dick, you quite often see a nice set for sale and think - That would go well with so and so machine, or, I might need a set of them one day.....

I have bought sets for an Avant Garde and a Munich board I don't have, and a German set in a box which may never be used.

But it is comforting to have a set of chess pieces for every occasion. 

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Heck, Mike, I am already there!  I have my eyes on a couple of large sets that are on eBay right now, one for a Munich.  I hope I don't buy either of them, because then I will need to find one of these boards *without* the pieces. 

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« Reply #2 on: March 13, 2005, 03:04PM »
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What do you guys do with the chess piece sets that are missing a single pawn, or something?  I have a couple of sets like this and don't want to toss them out, but really don't know how useful they will ever be.

This stuff is more fun than collecting records!

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Well you keep them in case you come across something the same or similar to make your old set complete again. Or in case you lose something or buy something that isn't complete and have to make up the loss.

All hypothetical of course. I am sure most of these sets will never be used.

What is worse, Dick, you quite often see a nice set for sale and think - That would go well with so and so machine, or, I might need a set of them one day.....

I have bought sets for an Avant Garde and a Munich board I don't have, and a German set in a box which may never be used.

But it is comforting to have a set of chess pieces for every occasion. 

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« Reply #3 on: March 13, 2005, 10:41AM »
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Quote from: Mike Watters on March 13, 2005, 10:23AM   

Dick

Well if the Boris 2.5 pieces work well your problem is really solved. Those sort of pieces or similar are found with a whole mass of Applied Concept and Novag chess computers from the early years. Let me know if you want some more.

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Mike,

I just finished playing 2 more games on the Phantom with the Applied Concept pieces, and there wasn't a single problem.  These pieces don't look as nice as the Novag ones or the original Fidelity ones, but do seem to be a good alternative. 

Interestingly, the diameter of the base on the knights of the Boris pieces is a bit *larger* than that of the Novag pieces.  So it is not the size of the knight's base that is causing the problem on the Novag ones.  The base of the pawns, however, from the Novag are slightly larger than those from the Boris.  So now I think it is this size difference, plus the considerably stronger magnets in the Novags, that is causing them to react with the pawns. 

Since I now have three sets of pieces, Fidelity, Novag, Boris, that work on the Phantom, and will have my third Phantom board in a few days, I should be ok for the time being.  My ultimate goal is to have as many of these "robots" as possible in the house, all of them set on automatic mode so that my wife and cats will go nuts watching the pieces move about. 

I am still going to experiment with a new set of magnetic pieces from House of Jacques, as the Novag pieces are committed to my Saitek President.

What do you guys do with the chess piece sets that are missing a single pawn, or something?  I have a couple of sets like this and don't want to toss them out, but really don't know how useful they will ever be.

This stuff is more fun than collecting records!

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Well if the Boris 2.5 pieces work well your problem is really solved. Those sort of pieces or similar are found with a whole mass of Applied Concept and Novag chess computers from the early years. Let me know if you want some more.

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Quote from: Ismenio on March 13, 2005, 05:54AM   

Dick, if you can test with someone's pieces first it may be a good idea. I was playing around with pieces from other computers and also from regular wooden magnetic ones I have and it seems that if we use a strong magnet it may cause problems. One test I did using magnetic pieces that are even smaller than the ones from the Phantom didn't go too well.

I think that when the robotic arm moves under the board, the distance between the head and the board may be very short, so in my case it did drag some pieces that were in adjacent squares!

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Interesting, Ismenio.

I have only tested a couple of sets of pieces that I had on hand, from my Fidelity SC9 and Excellence, and they did not work at all.  They do have magnets in them, but would not move with the Phantom.  The magnets in these pieces are not very strong, and the ones in the Novag pieces are stronger, so I assumed that was the reason.

The search continues.

Dick Schneiders




Ismenio,

I am in the process of playing a game on my Phantom 6124, using the plastic pieces that came with my Boron 2.5 MGS, and they seem to be working great.  The knights, on their opening moves, didn't bump into the pawns like the Novag wooden pieces sometimes do.  I doubt that these pieces are available anymore, but it gives me hope that there will be other options, beyond trying to locate original Phantom pieces.

The magnets on these Boris pieces are not as strong as on the Novag pieces, based on my feeling the repelling forces between them, but the pieces are also quite a bit lighter.  So it might be that there needs to be a proper combination between the weight of the pieces and the strength of the magnets.

I will keep you posted.

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Quote from: Ismenio on March 13, 2005, 05:54AM   

Dick, if you can test with someone's pieces first it may be a good idea. I was playing around with pieces from other computers and also from regular wooden magnetic ones I have and it seems that if we use a strong magnet it may cause problems. One test I did using magnetic pieces that are even smaller than the ones from the Phantom didn't go too well.

I think that when the robotic arm moves under the board, the distance between the head and the board may be very short, so in my case it did drag some pieces that were in adjacent squares!

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Interesting, Ismenio.

I have only tested a couple of sets of pieces that I had on hand, from my Fidelity SC9 and Excellence, and they did not work at all.  They do have magnets in them, but would not move with the Phantom.  The magnets in these pieces are not very strong, and the ones in the Novag pieces are stronger, so I assumed that was the reason.

The search continues.

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Dick, if you can test with someone's pieces first it may be a good idea. I was playing around with pieces from other computers and also from regular wooden magnetic ones I have and it seems that if we use a strong magnet it may cause problems. One test I did using magnetic pieces that are even smaller than the ones from the Phantom didn't go too well.

I think that when the robotic arm moves under the board, the distance between the head and the board may be very short, so in my case it did drag some pieces that were in adjacent squares!

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The other thing I thought about was to buy some cheap complete plastic set that would be about the same size and insert the magnets there. Kind of a DIY project. Hmmm... time to browse the Dollar Store

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I have a different plan in place.  I am going to buy a set of the House of Jacques wooden pieces, with magnets in them, that are the same size as the Novag pieces.  These are supposed to be strong magnets, that will hold the pieces on their boards even when the board is upside down.  Hopefully, they will work on the Phantom.

The diameter of the bases of these pieces are slightly less than the Novag ones, as far as I can tell, so they might work better, if they work at all.

I will keep you informed.

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The other thing I thought about was to buy some cheap complete plastic set that would be about the same size and insert the magnets there. Kind of a DIY project. Hmmm... time to browse the Dollar Store

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Quote from: Ismenio on March 12, 2005, 03:47PM   

Dick, I asked Novag about those Novag Emerald Classic Plus pieces. I'll post it here when I hear from them.

Do you think it's possible to sand those pieces to make them skinner? Would that take care of that drawback with the knights?

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Yes, Ismenio, you are reading my mind again.

That is exactly what I am going to do, because I am certain it will work.  The bases of all of the wooden Novag pieces are considerably wider than the magnets, and so there is a lot of excess wood that could be sanded away.  The only problem the knights have is that the bases are a bit too wide, and they bump into one of the pawns and then the magnets repel and one of the pieces will fall over.

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Dick, I asked Novag about those Novag Emerald Classic Plus pieces. I'll post it here when I hear from them.

Do you think it's possible to sand those pieces to make them skinner? Would that take care of that drawback with the knights?

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« Reply #12 on: March 12, 2005, 01:55PM »
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Dick

I know that Mephisto rebadged the remaining stock of Fidelity Phantoms and sold them under the Mephisto banner. Whether this included all the stock I do not know.

It sounds like you will be rebadging some more pieces. 

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« Reply #13 on: March 12, 2005, 01:30PM »
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I don't think I am going about this stuff in the proper manner.  I just bought a Phantom 6100 board, with no pieces.  The price seemed ok, at $245, since the seller guarantees that it works, but now I need two sets of pieces.  Since I know that the Novag pieces I have work, and there are probably others, my quest is not restricted to the original pieces.

I really do wonder where the left over inventory from Fidelity went to.  I wonder if Mephisto took over the inventory, or if the employees, etc. just took it with them.  Or, horrors, maybe it was all destroyed.  Somewhere there might be a ton of this stuff just rotting away.

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