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Gilliland DNA Project
« on: November 30, 2009, 08:32:41 PM »
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The McClellan dna project has included Gilliland/Gilleland in their list of names.Several Gillilands have already participated in the dna project.

Family Tree dna is running a end of the year special. A 37 marker dna test is 119.00 until Dec 31. If several people in one line contributed toward the cost it becomes very affordable.

My line is one of the NC Gillelands and we have matched with a Meigs County Ohio Gilliland.
The other match was with a line that started in Penn and ended up in Indiana.
I would have never known that we were related (a genetic distance of two) without dna.

Participating in the McClellan dna project is one way to clarify who belongs to whom. Evidently there are quite a few Gillilands in Ohio from different lines. DNA is one way to tell if you and another person are related.

Each donor is given a kit number and the project director, Ted McClellan posts info on your line. I know he would be happy to answer any questions you might have.
No personal information about the donor is posted.

If you are interested go to www.familytreedna.com/public/McClellanProject/

You can personal message me if you have any questions.
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« Reply #1 on: December 4, 2009, 07:55:21 AM »
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Hi Barbara...

Thanks very much for posting this information. Hopefully there will be some more participants joining this project -- this just may solve many riddles about our Gilliland family origins. If there are those of you out there who cannot participate but would like to support the project, I hope you'll consider making a donation so that others can be provided with the DNA kit. After visiting the site, I noticed a number of donations made in memory of Gilliland loved ones.

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« Reply #2 on: December 6, 2009, 01:43:02 AM »
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Barbara,

There is also a project Gilliland on the Family Tree DNA site as well.  They seem to be running parallel to each other, but what is needed is to have a good GEDCOM
listing so that the NC lines can be compared. 

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« Reply #3 on: December 8, 2009, 01:02:20 PM »
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Yes, there is another project. However the information is not open for public access
The person who administers a dna project needs to be able to interpret the results.

The McClellan dna project has such a person.
The advantage of having several different lines is we can group them and then look at patterns.


It is possible to tell how closely someone is related by comparing markers and where the differences occur.
As you are aware there are errors in Gedcom files. You can compare the NC lines now, the information is public.

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« Reply #4 on: December 8, 2009, 02:58:32 PM »
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I wanted to add that by participating in a project where the information is open for all to view then everyone benefits.

Unless a project is public, only the participants can see the dna results. Of course the donors information is kept confidential.
The donor is "kit number ----" with information about their earliest ancestor.

The other Gilliland project has chosen to keep the results private and the information is known only to those who participated and to the project director.

The McClelland dna project information is available for public viewing.

If every Gilliland/Gilleland had a male from their line participate then we might be able to eliminate alot of confusion.

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« Reply #5 on: February 21, 2010, 07:51:30 AM »
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Here's a direct link that will show folks how the results of the DNA testing are progressing:
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/McClellanProject/default.aspx?section=results

As you can see, progress is being made but the ultimate success of this project will depend on having as many participants as possible. There are many lines which have yet to be tested, including my own line which descends from Nathan Gilliland of Augusta County, VA. I'm still searching for a cousin who will volunteer.

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« Reply #6 on: March 29, 2010, 01:12:39 PM »
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Great news! We have a volunteer from the Nathan Gilliland line who will soon be receiving his DNA kit for processing. I'm eagerly awaiting the results and we'll see if this line is a genetic match to other lines already tested.

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Here's a direct link that will show folks how the results of the DNA testing are progressing:
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/McClellanProject/default.aspx?section=results

As you can see, progress is being made but the ultimate success of this project will depend on having as many participants as possible. There are many lines which have yet to be tested, including my own line which descends from Nathan Gilliland of Augusta County, VA. I'm still searching for a cousin who will volunteer.

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« Reply #7 on: June 11, 2010, 07:31:00 AM »
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Family Tree DNA is offering a pricing schedule on its various DNA tests. If you've been thinking about joining the project, now is the time to get in at a good price.

-- Kate

From FTDNA :

Last summer we offered a pricing special that was the most successful offering of its type in our company history. Project administrators got behind the recruitment efforts and for those that did, their projects grew and our database grew, so we'd like to offer a summer special again.

Here are the details:

    Y-DNA37 for $119 (Regular price would be $149)
    Y-DNA67 for $199 (Regular price would be $239)
    Y-DNA37+mtDNA for $159 (Combined test would cost $238)
Bypass the Y-DNA12 and Y-DNA25, and get the best Genealogy tests on the market!

The promotion will start June 5 and will end June 25. Kits need to be paid for by June 30, 2010.

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« Reply #8 on: June 24, 2010, 09:48:17 PM »
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Thanks to my cousin Matthew Gillian, who donated a DNA sample as a descendant of Nathan Gilliland, we now have some results which should stir some interesting conversation.

It turns out that among all the Gillilands who are participating in the various DNA projects, our line produced an exact 37 marker match to one Gilliland -- Paul Gilliland, a longtime researcher and frequent contributor here and on other Gilliland fora, and the moderator for the Gilliland list at Rootsweb.

Now I am by no stretch of the wildest imagination qualified to intepret these results. I'm waiting for Ted McClellan, who heads the McClellan DNA Project, to study these results and offer some insights. In the meanwhile, I wonder what Matthew and Paul (or anyone else) make of this development!

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« Reply #9 on: June 28, 2010, 05:37:47 AM »
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Hey folks, we could surely use some more particpants in the DNA project!

Particularly needed are volunteers from the following areas: from New England, New York, New Jersey and Massachusetts; from the South, Virginia, Tennessee, North and South Carolina, Georgia and Arkansas; from the West/Southwest, Texas, New Mexico and Nevada; from the Midwest, Ohio, Indiana, Illinois and Iowa. Of course, more kits from Pennsylvanians are always helpful! If you can't contribute DNA, please consider making a monetary donation of any size so that testing kits may be provided to as many volunteers as possible.

We also need volunteers from the England, Scotland and Ireland! Help us unravel these mysteries and find your cousins abroad! For more information on DNA testing, see the previous posts in this thread.

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« Reply #10 on: June 29, 2010, 01:45:10 PM »
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Hello Family!  I don't often beg and plead for anything, but I'm going to now.  This website, this community of seekers, and this family of Gillilands needs its members to help solve some mysteries and break through the thickened, reinforced brick walls of our heritage & history.  By participating in the DNA Project, you will be helping to expand our knowledge of who we are and exactly where we come from.  I urge each and every one of this family to seriously think about jumping on board and getting your sample into the database.  I am very excited that this testing is made available to all of us.  It will definitively prove many things... and yes, it may stir up some controversy and confusion.  But, wouldn't you like to know for sure?
I have added my information to this project and am asking you for your help... help that will aid us all in our quest for the truth.  I am so happy to finally know where some more of the connections may lie. Please think it over and become a part of this very important DNA Project!  It's quick, painless, easy, affordable, and really will make a difference!  Go to the website and check it out for yourself.  Thank you for your time and consideration.  - Matthew Gillian
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« Reply #11 on: June 29, 2010, 01:55:36 PM »
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Note to the Honorable Paul Gilliland:  Well, Paul... I must differ to the "Gilliland Guru" on this whole DNA stuff.  What do you make of my particular findings?  Do you already have this connection in your research?  This certainly is a pleasant bit of news for me and I'm excited to hear your take of the matter.  So, what say you?  I'm tired of seemingly being an orphan in the Gilliland lines.  Hope you can help us with your vast knowledge and research.  Thank you in advance!
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« Reply #12 on: July 6, 2010, 01:18:12 AM »
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Matthew,

From the spelling and Kate's hello, I take it we should be cousins for a 37 of 37 is a tight family match.  And 36 of 37 is a not too bad a fit also. If you are descended from Nathan 1720 then his son James Gillilan 16 Mar 1749 to Feb 1844 could be your line.  James son James Jr. 1786 to before 1840  is one son found in Ohio among others.  How do you come down from Nathan?  James Jr married Margaret Boggs abt 1802.  Did I get it right? 

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« Reply #13 on: July 9, 2010, 09:10:20 PM »
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Heya Paul...

Well, I don't know where Matthew went... must be in a hidey-hole somewhere, contemplating his navel. 

Anyway, here's Matthew's line back to Nathan. No point in taking it back to Samuel in any detail right now, as the information regarding his exact origins is still in dispute.

Hope I've got this right... I've condensed the info down from what he posted here to Gilliland Trails.

1. Matthew Richmond Gillian
Matthew was born on May 26, 1957 at  South Charleston, WV. Married Pamela Lou Lester on June 6, 1981, in Hurricane, WV, and divorced in Anchorage, AK, on October 16, 1985. Two sons, Bradford Michael Gillian, and Geoffrey Alan Gillian. Married second, Jill Andra Keller at  Anchorage, AK.  Jill Gillian has two children from a previous marriage, Jennifer Nicole (Anders) Giseburt, and Justin Kyle Anders, who is now officially Justin Kyle Gillian.

2. Oliver Jack Gillian
Oliver Jack Gillian was born on February 19, 1926, in Sandstone, WV. He married Garnett Elizabeth “Betsy” Meehling on July 25, 1952 at St. Albans, WV. Oliver Jack Gillian died on June 3rd of 2001, in Charleston, WV

3. Oliver Clyde Gillian
Thomas Jefferson Gillian, son of David Gillilan, and his third wife had a son named Oliver Clyde Gillian, born October 14, 1896, Sandstone, WV. Married Anna Clyde Richmond on September, 1921 at Pearisburg, VA. Died on June 8, 1961, in Sandstone, WV.

4. Thomas Jefferson Gillian
Matthew's notes on Thomas Jefferson Gillilan 1847 - 1927:
David Gillilan and his first wife (Clarissa) had a son named Thomas Jefferson Gillilan. He was born May 20, 1847, in Walnut Township, Gallia County, Ohio. Now is where the last name changes yet again on census records and other documents. Thomas was married more than once, but not more than three times. His first wife was Mary Isabelle Richmond. His second wife was Hazel Mary Ward. His third wife was Elizabeth “Betty” Ann Fox. They were married on September 10, 1892, at Laurel Creek, WV. This was also Betty Ann’s second marriage, and Betty had a child named Dova Mae.  On a previously undiscovered legal document, I found that in 1896, Thomas Jefferson was still using the last name of “Gillilan.” Documents indicate, in 1900, Thomas is residing at 274 Green Sulphur, with his last name as: Gilland. In the 1910 census, he is listed as Thomas Gillian, living in Summers County, WV. Nonetheless, Thomas and Betty Ann had a huge family, to say the least. Thomas died August 17, 1927, in Sandstone, WV. The last name “changes” are still a mystery to be solved. Thomas Jefferson was also listed in various earlier census and other documents between 1860 and 1900, with the last names of Gilliland, Gillilan, Gillun, Gillin, Gillan, Gillen, Gillion, and Gillon, all with the same vital statistics showing him to be the same person. Keep in mind here, that a great number of the census takers themselves were nearly illiterate, and the handwriting, even worse. This could account for some of the spelling discrepancies.  T.J. Gillian had a whole passel of children (15 – 18, depending on who’s counting) during his career as an apparent “professional father.”  Thomas Jefferson Gillian died from a stroke at Ramp in 1927.

5. David Gillilan
David Gillilan, son of James Gillilan, Jr., born 1818 in Ohio. Married Clarissa Carter Allison March 4, 1840, in Gallia County, Ohio, where David died in 1898. David had a second wife, who may have been Angeline Ellis.

6. James Gillilan, Jr.
James Gillilan, Jr., son of James Sr., born 1786 at Greenbrier County, (W)Virginia. Married Margaret Boggs, 1802, and died in Gallia County, Ohio.

7. James Gilliland, son of Nathan, was born 1749 at Augusta County, Virginia. First married to Lydia Armstrong abt 1770; second marriage was to Jane Edmiston Smith, 1819. Died 1844, Greenbrier Co, (W)Virginia. Listed on his Revolutionary War pension file as James Gillelan and James Gillilan, though I noticed James signed his own name with an "i" rather than an "e".
[James Gilliland Sr. was a brother to the Samuel Gilliland from whose line I am a descendant.]

8. Nathan Gilliland, born abt 1720, poss. N. Ireland, & wife Jane Donahue, recorded at the Scots-Irish Settlement in Augusta County, VA by 1745 and by 1783 migrated to the Greenbrier area of what is now West Virginia. Undoubtedly Nathan had siblings but we don't know who they might have been.

9. Samuel Gilliland. Origins (Scotland or Antrim) still being debated. Said to have married Elizabeth Smith, poss. in Phildelphia. Siblings unknown.

And there you have it. Now we have to figure out at what point our lines intersect.

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« Reply #14 on: July 12, 2010, 11:11:28 AM »
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Sorry folks... I haven't been on in recent days!  Paul - Miss Kate has my information correct.  I hope you can help figure this all out. If anyone else has ANY information that may help us... please post it or e-mail me direct:  drmatthew@att.net
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« Reply #15 on: July 16, 2010, 02:04:31 AM »
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Kate and Matthew,

This is twice I have typed a long reply and had it eaten by the gremlins of posting a reply.  This is the third.  I will make it short.  Common ancestor is John2 (1668-1660) his father is John1 (1638-??)  There appears to be several sons for John2 from the naming patterns.  John3; James3; Samuel3; Wiliam3 and possibly Robert3.  No matter Nathan4 is the grandson of John2.  James Adam4 is the grandson of John2.  The DNA match makes the tie to John2 for Matthew and I without naming exactly the ninth generation parents for the eighth generation [Nathan4 and James Adam4].  They are at worst cousins, and at best brothers. 

The custom of naming children after the father could mean that James3 was the common parent and Nathan4 was the second son; and Nathan's naming of his children James5 1749; Samuel5 1755; and William5 1758 was made after his father and two uncles.

The DNA match does tie us together, but it raises more questions than the answer we have. 

I will post this now and hope for the best.

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« Reply #16 on: July 16, 2010, 05:43:23 AM »
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Thank you so much, Paul!  The mystery deepens... but you have shed a little more light on the matter.  We need help from New Jersey researchers and any other folks who may have that little piece of information we need to wrap this all together.  I just know that someone has the missing link somewhere! ROADTRIP???I wish our ancestors had kept better records.  Thanks again, Paul... you are the best!
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« Reply #17 on: July 16, 2010, 07:07:54 AM »
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Helloooo Paul and Matthew...

My brain may not be working on all cylinders so bear with me here as I have some questions.

Paul, when you refer to John 1 & 2, are you speaking of Scottish John(s) with the third generation being that found in N. Ireland? Also, Nathan 1720's father was a Samuel so I doubt James3 as Nathan4's father. Certainly Nathan would be of the right age to be a brother to James Adam but it looks more likely that he was a cousin and that a Samuel3 would have been an uncle to James Adam4.

So how does this connect to Matthew's record of Nathan being the son of Samuel 1685 of Saltcoats, son of John the Covenantor, or is this now blown out of the water? I just want to make sure we're all reading from the same page here.

Eeek-- I feel like a need a road map!

This is my understanding of the old Scottish/Irish naming patterns:
Sons
1. Firstborn son - named after his paternal grandfather (his father's father)

Variation - named after his maternal grandfather (his mother's father)

2. Secondborn son - named after his maternal grandfather (his mother's father)

Variation - named after his paternal grandfather (his father's father)

3. Thirdborn son - named after his father

4. Fourthborn son - named after his father's oldest brother

Variation - named after his paternal great grandfather (his father's paternal grandfather)

5. Fifthborn son - named after his mother's oldest brother

Variation - named after his maternal great grandfather )his mother's paternal grandfather)

*IF* the John2 to which you are referring was John1685 I'm REALLY confused as John's descendants in NJ are pretty well documented and this is where my doubts about Samuel being his son come into play, as I have yet to see the real evidence of a Samuel as one of this John's sons.

By the way, Paul, sorry that you were having trouble posting. If you were composing your longer replies directly to GT, there may be a "time out" feature that caused the problem. I always compose my longer posts in my email program or as a word doc and then just paste a copy of the text into my GT posts in case of such a problem occurring. That way I always have a backup copy. If you continue to have any posting problems please let me know.

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« Reply #18 on: July 17, 2010, 01:16:51 AM »
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Kate and Michael.

We are still reading from the same page.  A re-examination of a large number of posted GEDCOMS leads me to a better understanding of how this line traces back.  The McClennan Clan was with the Covenentor forces under General Henry at the battle of Auldearn on May 9, 1644 fighting Montrose and the English forces.  Many of the Chiefs of the McClennan Clan missed the order to fall back and were cut off and killed.  Among these Chiefs were the leaders of the Gilliland Sept (a part of the Clan) This greatly reduced the numbe of Gillilands, specially when the widows remarried and changed their names.  Our initial John1 was a seven year old [born 1638] who did not change his Gilliland name and was brought up by his mother.

This son grows up in Scotland still a part of the McClellan Clan.  He will marry and from the DNA tests linking my line with Matthew's we can reasonably infer that he has at least two sons.  The first is William2 "Willie" Gilliland  of the poem's fame who was defeated by Montrose at the battle of Boethell Bridge (1679?) Who fled and was sent to Ireland [Actually to northern Ireland -- Then called the Ulster Plantation.  William2 marries Elizabeth and  John3 {or James3} marries Margaret.  The letters coming back from John1's second son John2 (1668 to abt 1720)  [The covenentor] who fought against the English in 1685 and was sent from Leith Tolbooth {prison} to the East New Jersey Plantations -- landing in Perth Amboy and freed after appealing his sentence in 1785 to 1786? settling in NJ painted a land of opportunity in the colonies -- NJ; Pennsylvania and John3/James3's family came in the early 1720's.  They settled on Fagg's Manor in Chester County, PA
It is not known if William2 Willie Gilliland came with them.  
James Adam4 (1715-1795) was an active member of the Fagg's Manor church.  End if part one.

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« Reply #19 on: July 17, 2010, 01:47:50 AM »
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Kate and Matthew,      Part Two

Correct my mistake it is Matthew and not Michael.  For John2 who landed in NJ he was married to Agnes Craig (1666 to abt 1720) and their son Samuel3 came with them.  Samuel3 married Elizabeth Smith (b. 1685) and one of their sons was Nathan4 (b. 1720).  Samuel3  and family went south to the opportunity of land opening  in Augusta County VA around 1740 some time after his father [John2] and mother died in early 1720's.  Maybe sold the farm.

Samuel3 may have missed his nephew John3 {or James3} arrival in the Philadelphia area and their settlement in Fagg's Manor,  along with John3's son James Adam4 (1715 - 1795) who later marries in 1735/6 to Margaret Burr and has Alexander James5 (1737-1795) and James5 (1739).  And probably others.  The history of Fagg's Manor Presbyterian Church shows several very good ministers who will contribute to Alexander James5's education and literacy.

There is more, but this will have to cover my first examination of the linkage to our common ancestor.  The 1644 near extinction of the line may be why we have so many stories why all Gillilands in America are related.  I do not see where we have to re-invent the wheel on either of our lines.  Anyway it is a good start.  Let me have your comments.
I apologize for what may have been my first confusing explanation.  I like this one much better and the Link to John1 seems to follow from the results from the DNA tests.

Best regards Cousins 

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