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« Reply #20 on: July 25, 2010, 01:46:20 PM »
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Paul, I see where you are going with this and indeed the trail you've left makes a lot of sense. Also, the history you've provided is fascinating, as usual. :-)

I'm still having a problem with one aspect of this, and that's the lack of hard evidence tying the Samuel Gilliland who was the father of Nathan to John 1685. There seems to be a gap in the record for John 1685 after his arrival in NJ; I've seen trees for John that list his children but never one that included a Samuel. It's a pretty big hop-skip from Samuel as an infant in Saltcoats to his marriage in Philadelphia; he then disappears again and resurfaces in Virginia.

It seems so much hinges on some record that definitively ties John to Samuel that it bothers me I just have not seen nor been able to find one. Certainly, according to Matthew and some other researchers out there, the records exist (some in Scotland), but I would feel a lot more comfortable with the very plausible theory you've laid out if I had the proper records in my hands.

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Quote from: paulg85 on July 17, 2010, 01:47:50 AM   

Kate and Matthew,      Part Two

Correct my mistake it is Matthew and not Michael.  For John2 who landed in NJ he was married to Agnes Craig (1666 to abt 1720) and their son Samuel3 came with them.  Samuel3 married Elizabeth Smith (b. 1685) and one of their sons was Nathan4 (b. 1720).  Samuel3  and family went south to the opportunity of land opening  in Augusta County VA around 1740 some time after his father [John2] and mother died in early 1720's.  Maybe sold the farm.

Samuel3 may have missed his nephew John3 {or James3} arrival in the Philadelphia area and their settlement in Fagg's Manor,  along with John3's son James Adam4 (1715 - 1795) who later marries in 1735/6 to Margaret Burr and has Alexander James5 (1737-1795) and James5 (1739).  And probably others.  The history of Fagg's Manor Presbyterian Church shows several very good ministers who will contribute to Alexander James5's education and literacy.

There is more, but this will have to cover my first examination of the linkage to our common ancestor.  The 1644 near extinction of the line may be why we have so many stories why all Gillilands in America are related.  I do not see where we have to re-invent the wheel on either of our lines.  Anyway it is a good start.  Let me have your comments.
I apologize for what may have been my first confusing explanation.  I like this one much better and the Link to John1 seems to follow from the results from the DNA tests.

Best regards Cousins 

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« Reply #21 on: July 25, 2010, 11:45:19 PM »
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Cousin Kate,

The DNA 37 match is what ties your  John1 (1638) to Samuel3 and Nathan4 (1720).  The same DNA 37 match ties John1 (1638) to my William 'Willie'2, John3, and James Adam4 (1715).  It does not prove that John2 (1668) the covenantor who came in 1685 is the one; but it does prove that a link exists from both of us to John1 (1638).  We do not have a nice list and dates of John1's children.  But my William 'Willie'2 and your John2 are the link to John1.  We could have a Samuel2 (1670?) ; or a Thomas2 (1670) or a James2 (1670?) as additional children to John1. 

What it does mean today, is that Mathew11 (1957--) and Paul11 (1932 --) are ten generations removed from our common ancestor of John1 (1638) with a 99+% degree of certainty.  This is what the DNA match means.  Some of the paper trail may be missing, early names and dates are not fixed as certainly as we would like, BUT we are cousins going back to John1. 

Your Cousin,  Paulg85

P.S.  There are other Gillilands in other lines that do not tie to John1 that we see in the other DNA matches.  Matthew and I have been sorted together by the DNA.  We may have gaps or uncertain members in the chain, but we are linked.
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« Reply #22 on: August 9, 2010, 01:33:06 PM »
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Kate & all,
Let me jump in here and add a little info to the mix.  I have taken the DNA 67 Markers test and I match with the Gilliland line(s) in 37 markers of Samuel, born 1685 and Gilliland of PA which is posted on Ted McCellan Family Tree site.  The reason for this post is HELP!! is needed so I can find out how my Smith family is connected to the Gilliland family.

Ted McClellan suggested I join the Gilliland trails. which I have and I thought I might get a little help from my cousins.
Thanks Larry Smith
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« Reply #23 on: August 20, 2010, 10:28:14 AM »
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Hello all,

I am posting this lineage in hope that some one will be able to help me connect my Smith family to the Gilliland family. My DNA37MATCH indicates that I am related to Samuel Gilliland who was born in 1685 and also to Gilliland of PA.
(Samuel and Gilliland of PA are ancestors of two DNA kit IDs)

Matching all but 3 markers (CDYa & b; and 442) theirs being 36, 39 & 12 respectfully and mine being 35, 38 & 11). I also asked my cousin Robert Smith to take the DNA37 test.  He is related to Andrew Smith, Sr, through a different son of James P. Smith who is a grand son of Andrew Sr. Robert's
DNA is also -3 in the DNA37Marker test. (see below)

My brick wall is Andrew Smith,Sr., born ca 1750/60 (not sure) and died somewhere between 1784 and 1786, married to Nancy Ann Kennedy.  He was clearing land in Washington County, Georgia when he was killed by a raiding party of Indians.  He is listed on the DAR as a Surgeon's Mate under Col. Samuel Elliot, 2nd Batt. GA C. L.
(accepted June 25 2007)

They had one (known) son, Andrew Smith, Jr. born May 1, 1780, died December 17, 1858, married to Nancy Elizabeth Roberts (Robarts)

After Andrew Sr, died Nancy Ann Kennedy Smith married John Wheat and they raised Andrew Jr.

Andrew, Jr. and Nancy Roberts had;
Virginia Jane Smith, b. February 11, 1809
  James Pascal 'Poplar Jim' Smith, b. July 10, 1811,(La) d. July 25, 1891
  Andrew J. Smith, b. ca 1816
  William 'Juckers' Smith, b. July 25, 1818
  Priscilla Smith, b. April 10, 1819
  Jeptha E. Smith, b. November 20, 1822
  Hiram Prentis Smith, b. January 26, 1826
  Benjamin Franklin Smith, b. ca. 1839/1835

James Pascal 'Poplar Jim' Smith married 1st Nancy Ann Wheat, and had one son.  Nancy Ann Wheat, b. January 2, 1819, d. January 7, 1836, and daughter
of Joseph Wheat and Elizabeth (Bagley) Wheat. After Nancy died in child birth, James married 2nd December 14, 1837, Mary Jane 'Polly' Strahan, b. January 20, 1822,
d. March 25, 1892.
(NOTE: Robert Smith is related to Andrew, Sr through this union where I am related through the first marriage).

Joseph Ann Smith, b. January 7, 1836 (Joseph Ann’s mother Nancy Ann Wheat died in child birth),
d. July 28, 1903.  He was in the 38th Regiment Mississippi Mounted Infantry, and was at paroled at Vicksburg, Ms. July 8, 1863.
Joseph married Mary Ann Permelia Harvey, daughter of James Andrew Harvey, on June 18, 1865.  Mary was born May 12, 1847, d. February 9, 1940. Both are buried in Poplarville Cemetery, Pearl River County, Mississippi.
        James Andrew Harvey, b. January 5, 1812, d. June 9, 1848, and married to        Laura Ann Melinda Melvina Crawford Hall, b. July 14, 1825, in Alabama,
        d. December 2, 1879, in Marion Co. Ms. buried in Juniper Grove Cemetery
        James is buried in Byrd Chapel Cemetery, Crossroads, Mississippi.

My Grand Parent are;
James Andrew Harvey Smith, b. April 29, 1866, d. May 30. 1933, m. Ida Isabelle Wheat, on August 5,
1887, b. February 13, 1870, d. October 16,, 1939, both buried in Poplarville Cemetery, Poplarville,
Mississippi.

If anyone can help me please let me know.  This is all I know of Andrew Smith, Sr.

Thanks for any help
Larry Smith
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« Reply #24 on: November 26, 2010, 07:48:06 AM »
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« Reply #25 on: April 12, 2011, 02:28:01 PM »
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Quote from: paulg85 on July 17, 2010, 01:16:51 AM   

Kate and Michael.

We are still reading from the same page.  A re-examination of a large number of posted GEDCOMS leads me to a better understanding of how this line traces back.  The McClennan Clan was with the Covenentor forces under General Henry at the battle of Auldearn on May 9, 1644 fighting Montrose and the English forces.  Many of the Chiefs of the McClennan Clan missed the order to fall back and were cut off and killed.  Among these Chiefs were the leaders of the Gilliland Sept (a part of the Clan) This greatly reduced the numbe of Gillilands, specially when the widows remarried and changed their names.  Our initial John1 was a seven year old [born 1638] who did not change his Gilliland name and was brought up by his mother.

This son grows up in Scotland still a part of the McClellan Clan.  He will marry and from the DNA tests linking my line with Matthew's we can reasonably infer that he has at least two sons.  The first is William2 "Willie" Gilliland  of the poem's fame who was defeated by Montrose at the battle of Boethell Bridge (1679?) Who fled and was sent to Ireland [Actually to northern Ireland -- Then called the Ulster Plantation.  William2 marries Elizabeth and  John3 {or James3} marries Margaret.  The letters coming back from John1's second son John2 (1668 to abt 1720)  [The covenentor] who fought against the English in 1685 and was sent from Leith Tolbooth {prison} to the East New Jersey Plantations -- landing in Perth Amboy and freed after appealing his sentence in 1785 to 1786? settling in NJ painted a land of opportunity in the colonies -- NJ; Pennsylvania and John3/James3's family came in the early 1720's.  They settled on Fagg's Manor in Chester County, PA
It is not known if William2 Willie Gilliland came with them.  
James Adam4 (1715-1795) was an active member of the Fagg's Manor church.  End if part one.

Paulg85

Light bulb going off! Finally! Heard all my life the the Gillilan(d)s fled Scotland because of "religious persecution", never could place what and when that refereed to
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« Reply #26 on: February 3, 2013, 06:37:04 PM »
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Greetings, all...

As more volunteers step forward to participate in the DNA project, we could use some generous donors who would be willing to spare some coin for the processing of these tests. Even small amounts can go a long way! There are a number of painless ways to make a contribution. For more information on how you can help, please contact Barbara at Barbarada_52@yahoo.com

Thanks very much to all those who have kept this project going, either by volunteering their DNA or their coin, and to those who will contribute to the future success of the project. 

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« Reply #27 on: November 14, 2013, 07:38:35 AM »
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Greetings, all... 

  I'm taking a short break from transcription duty to inform you as to some changes in the DNA project and to make a plea for volunteers and donations.
  LuAnn Elsinger is now the coordinator for Gilliland DNA testing under both the McClellan and Gilliland DNA projects of Family Tree DNA at familytreedna.com
  We are really making some progress identifying the various Gilliland DNA lines but more volunteers are needed to really fine tune the connections among all the Gilliland families.
  If you have a male relative who carries the Gilliland name, won't you consider being a volunteer? The test is so simple and requires only a cheek swab from the test kit. We are still hoping to get more volunteers from the UK, Northern Ireland and Canada, too.
  If you can't provide DNA but wish to support this endeavor, you can really assist the project with a donation to the testing fund.
  Between now and December 31st Family Tree DNA is holding its annual price break on the 37 marker kit. Volunteer now and save some money, either for yourself or for our donors! 
  If you think you could help out the Gilliland DNA project in any way, please contact the coordinator, LuAnn Elsinger, at elsinger5408@gmail.com
  Thank you VERY much!

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« Reply #28 on: November 17, 2013, 05:03:19 PM »
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I should have made it clear that you do not have to be a member of FamilyTree DNA to make a donation to the Gilliland DNA project. Just follow the link below if you wish to help fund this effort. You can even contribute via PayPal.

http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Gilliland/

Thanks! 

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« Reply #29 on: January 8, 2017, 09:07:48 PM »
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I did the DNA test through Ancestry.com. Is there a way I can add that info to this Gilliland database? My maternal grandfather was John Isaac Gilliland. He was born and raised in SC, but his family was from Eastern TN (Cocke County, Newport, Cosby) area. My mother's maiden name is Johnny Sue Satterfield.  Thank you for your help!
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« Reply #30 on: February 25, 2017, 03:52:14 PM »
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Hi, I am looking for any Gilliland connections from North Carolina and western Tennessee. I have tested with Ancestry (n2shoebiz) and my brother with Ftdna Y111 (574159). I also have family trees in both locations. On Ftdna, we match extremely close to Gillilands with a connection to the Thomas Gilliland line (1830-1888) from SC... Sharon
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« Reply #31 on: March 23, 2017, 06:49:45 PM »
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I'm wondering about the dna project.My Gillilands are apparently now in Indiana by way of NC and PA. My nearest Gilliland ancestor is my great grandmother, and I know very little about them prior to coming to Union County Indiana in the early 1800's.My 5th Great Grandfather was not John Gilliand, married Susanah Harris.  Buried right beside him is John Gilleland 5th PA Regiment Rev War.  I know this was not his father, but think it may be an uncle or grandfather, but have never found any documents. Hoping the dna project might be helpful.  Ive done the ancestry dna and uploaded mine to gedmatch, but I really don't know how to make use of the resources.
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« Reply #32 on: March 23, 2017, 07:32:26 PM »
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Y DNA seems to be the way to go if you have a direct line male that can test. We found our closest matches here.
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« Reply #33 on: April 22, 2017, 06:21:28 AM »
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You might want to consider transferring your Ancestry DNA results to Family Tree DNA and then joining the Gilliland DNA Project: https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/gilliland/about/results.  I am the administrator of that project.
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FYI... Family Tree DNA is running a great sale right now through 4/26 for anyone that is interested...

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