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    oldski-doosleds Message Board => Help Desk (Only) => Message started by: Joe Olympique on July 29, 2012, 08:55:31 PM
	

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Title: 66 in the works
Post by: Joe Olympique on July 29, 2012, 08:55:31 PM

This project got started a couple of years ago but then set aside for a while. I'm trying to push it to the finish line by Labor Day.

Here's what I started with, $150 about 40 miles from home, didn't even bother to try and start it



Chassis is currently in primer, axles, bogies, steering parts, clutches, chain case, and recoil are finished. This sled is going to get cab and steering upgrades... 1970 style cabin latches and steering support loop


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Title: Re:66 in the works
Post by: 75 Elan on July 30, 2012, 01:16:38 AM

Nice work Larry, gonna start on my alpine hood soon, on just one crutch now, soon on my feet again expect some emails from me for pointers.


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Title: Re:66 in the works
Post by: goose on August 2, 2012, 01:51:29 PM

Nice progress. I know you like to build your own seats so are you going to tackle this one too?


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Title: Re:66 in the works
Post by: Joe Olympique on August 2, 2012, 07:16:27 PM

I bought a seat from Mark St. Cyr at the NH swap last year. It's close but not exactly correct but the price was too good to pass up. Of course I'm having second thoughts about it now. ???


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Title: Re:66 in the works
Post by: Joe Olympique on October 23, 2012, 08:36:20 PM

It's now mid October, where does the time go ?

cab with final repairs



I've made quite a bit of progress on it the last couple of weeks, the photos haven't caught up with it all yet.


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Title: Re:66 in the works
Post by: 75 Elan on October 23, 2012, 10:31:20 PM

Wow Larry, nice work, more pics please!!


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Title: Re:66 in the works
Post by: EricR on October 24, 2012, 06:21:48 PM

JoeOly, maybe we can have a race? My '67 vs your '66? What was that decal on the hood above the registration numbers?

Lookin' good. Did you have it chem dipped to strip it?


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Title: Re:66 in the works
Post by: GaWajn on October 24, 2012, 07:11:06 PM

Good work and good progress! Keep it up!


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Title: Re:66 in the works
Post by: 775 on October 24, 2012, 07:59:24 PM

Looking good!


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Title: Re:66 in the works
Post by: 1970TNT on October 24, 2012, 08:48:43 PM

HEY JOEOLY YA GOING TO RIDE THIS ONE?


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Title: Re:66 in the works
Post by: Joe Olympique on October 24, 2012, 08:50:24 PM


on 1351128108, EricR wrote:

JoeOly, maybe we can have a race? My '67 vs your '66? What was that decal on the hood above the registration numbers?

Lookin' good. Did you have it chem dipped to strip it?


Rats, I goofed, didn't take a closeup of the club sticker on the cab before I removed it. I cleaned the chassis by hand...5F5 stripper, whizzy wheel, and wire brush (I believe in dooing things the easy way) ;D

Yeti...Yes, I am going to ride this one.


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Title: Re:66 in the works
Post by: EricR on October 26, 2012, 08:34:25 PM

I challange Joe Lonely to a race, he does not even parry my thrust.....


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Title: Re:66 in the works
Post by: Joe Olympique on October 26, 2012, 11:32:39 PM


on 1351308865, EricR wrote:

I challange Joe Lonely to a race, he does not even parry my thrust.....


The First Annual Joe Lonely Invitational (FAJLI)...sign me up.
Parry on my wayward son.

Now back to show and tell.

The engine is a 299 from a '67 Oly. The head sprung to life with shine when I put it to the wire wheel, after which I had no choice but to make the rest of the it look as good. Clutch is all cleaned and painted, fan housing still needs to be buffed out, recoil color needs to be changed from black to silver. I will note here that I have been a reluctant participant in this restoration. I just wanted to fix and run. But no, it wouldn't let me.



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Title: Re:66 in the works
Post by: webmaster on October 27, 2012, 04:21:56 AM

You doo great work doo'd!


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Title: Re:66 in the works
Post by: EricR on October 27, 2012, 05:24:55 AM

Nice work, Larry! Are ya going to paint the inside black?

On my 69 cab I used a product called TEC FLOW for the filler, and over the 10 months since it was done, well, there has been some shrinking of the filler so you can look close and see the old cracks.

A friend who paints yachts and does a lot of fiberglas and gel coat work suggested what I will do next time, paint the outside of the hood with fiberglass resin to fill the deep cracks, then skim with the filler.


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Title: Re:66 in the works
Post by: Joe Olympique on October 27, 2012, 08:37:45 AM

[quote author=EricR link=board=5;threadid=20110;start=0#msg120880 date=1351340695]
Nice work, Larry! Are ya going to paint the inside black?

On my 69 cab I used a product called TEC FLOW for the filler, and over the 10 months since it was done, well, there has been some shrinking of the filler so you can look close and see the old cracks.

A friend who paints yachts and does a lot of fiberglas and gel coat work suggested what I will do next time, paint the outside of the hood with fiberglass resin to fill the deep cracks, then skim with the filler.
[/quote]

Yes, inside of the cab is already in flat black, hence the newspaper and blue tape in headlight and filler openings.

There are so many professional products and techniques that can be brought to bear on jobs like this, I really ought to be more familiar with them. I keep telling myself to check in with the local voc school for an evening course on paint and body work and find out how you really doo this. My approach so far has been stirictly amature....that is to say off-the-shelf consumer products and a lot work by hand for want of the proper tools. Still, good results can be had, especially if you're willing to re-doo your mistakes as many times at it takes to get it right. Story of my life :P


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Title: Re:66 in the works
Post by: 1970TNT on October 27, 2012, 08:47:00 AM

So Yeti, I may not be riding it after all

OH NO ANOTHER PAPER WEIGHT FOR THE JOEOLY SHED!!!!!!!!


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Title: Re:66 in the works
Post by: laroux on October 28, 2012, 01:23:42 PM

Joe Oly U are dooing some nice work using elbow grease and an old school method, bottom line its hard 2 tell from a professional done job. 8)


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Title: Re:66 in the works
Post by: 72 Blizzard 340 on October 28, 2012, 02:19:15 PM

Looks good, good job on the engine. The Black looks great.


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Title: Re:66 in the works
Post by: Joe Olympique on October 28, 2012, 03:02:04 PM

[quote author=72 Blizzard 340 link=board=5;threadid=20110;start=0#msg120937 date=1351459155]
The Black looks great.
[/quote]

Yes, I doo like that look. All the projects for me so far have been early '70's, so this one is different. I wasn't sure if that black jug was factory at first, most of the paint was gone with surface rust in its place. But I remember seeing other sleds here on the board with that look so I researched old photos. The fan housing will be buffed up shinny shine ala longnecker and EricR so it will have that pimped out Rotax look to it ;D


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Title: Re:66 in the works
Post by: ddub on October 28, 2012, 05:32:30 PM

Lookin good!


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Title: Re:66 in the works
Post by: oly_man on October 28, 2012, 07:09:37 PM

Really looking good Joe O. Really worth the time and effort ;)


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Title: Re:66 in the works
Post by: Joe Olympique on October 28, 2012, 07:22:20 PM

Thanks guys, this is fun, always wanted one of the early bubbles. My brother is the one who found this prize, quote " awww, you got have one of the old bombers" And he's right !


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Title: Re:66 in the works
Post by: Joe Olympique on November 18, 2012, 04:44:36 AM

Things are starting to come together, slowly.
Photos courtesy of Scott Tompkins

doo you think I have enough yellow in my shop? The engine and chain case are just set in place for the moment to determine proper fit for the steering support loop. The signage is from a local asphalt plant that closed and was demolished.


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Title: Re:66 in the works
Post by: 1970TNT on November 18, 2012, 04:49:45 AM

GOOD TO SEE YA GOT SOME INSULATION IN YOUR SHOP ;D


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Title: Re:66 in the works
Post by: Joe Olympique on November 18, 2012, 04:54:33 AM

Now all I need is a source of heat ::)


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Title: Re:66 in the works
Post by: 75 Elan on November 18, 2012, 05:40:02 AM

Nice Larry, never enough yellow, you motor looks sweet, have you put the spring in your driven clutch? Or is it just on for the effect! ;D


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Title: Re:66 in the works
Post by: Joe Olympique on November 18, 2012, 05:52:42 AM

[quote author=75 Elan link=board=5;threadid=20110;start=20#msg121394 date=1353246002]

have you put the spring in your driven clutch? Or is it just on for the effect! ;D
[/quote]

Spring? what spring? ;D Yes, the primary is just set on there for right now to help determine the alignment of the '70 style steering support loop. I want that fitted such that clutch and recoil can be removed.


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Title: Re:66 in the works
Post by: 75 Elan on November 18, 2012, 06:17:10 AM

Good, the reason I asked I got a 67 primary clutch of BP6 about 3 years ago since the one on my alpine originally was a newer type from probably from an Elan, but the problem with hording all the parts before you use them (especially over 3 years ago) Things go missing or misplaced or forget where you put them, so I thought I had the wrong clutch parts.


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Title: Re:66 in the works
Post by: EricR on November 18, 2012, 06:45:07 AM

Looks really good!

Is a '66 chassis essentially the same as a '67? My 7 is stripped down now, looks nearly identical.


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Title: Re:66 in the works
Post by: 75 Elan on November 18, 2012, 09:48:50 AM

Larry those supports on the gas filler neck, are they original, been adjusting mine on my alpine but it changes every week, been thinking about adding some kind of support to stiffen up the filler neck so it stays center on the hole in the hood.


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Title: Re:66 in the works
Post by: silverbullet on November 18, 2012, 06:34:13 PM

Learned something here....JD Old Construction Yellow? Looks good in your pictures. I've been looking for an aerosol here in Ontario, maybe need to stop by JD dealer. Is it reasonbly close to original for a match? I have a 68 Super Oly that needs some attention and between your post and EricR's I'm getting some inspiration.


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Title: Re:66 in the works
Post by: Joe Olympique on November 18, 2012, 07:55:52 PM

Bill...No, the filler neck supports are not original. Just one inch flat stock from the hardware store. The bottom end cut at an angle to match the turn in the chassis, the top end grinded concave to get a snug fit on the radius of the filler neck, it's rock solid.

Silver Bullet... The JD Old Contruction Yellow is on the orange side, I'm not completely satisfied with it but it's done now and I'm not moving backwards on the project. It looks okay under cool florescent light or bright sunshine, other times the orange is more noticable. It's a very bright paint. The best representation of it in this series of photos is the third one down, the close up of the engine, notice the foot rest on the right side.


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Title: Re:66 in the works
Post by: Joe Olympique on January 14, 2013, 08:01:10 PM

After two and half years, on and off, with this project it finally came together over the weekend. It actually overwhelmed me a little bit to see it take shape so quickly after such a long time.


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Title: Re:66 in the works
Post by: 775 on January 14, 2013, 09:11:20 PM

Awesome! Totally awesome! :D Great job, as usual.


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Title: Re:66 in the works
Post by: 75 Elan on January 14, 2013, 09:25:03 PM

Wow Larry, great job, looking good. love what you did with the motor.


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Title: Re:66 in the works
Post by: Banoe on January 15, 2013, 04:22:03 AM

Joe, Great looking sled.

I picked up some "JD construction yellow" the other day seemed a bit orange on the skis I did compared to my 70 Oly tunnel. Is there an "old construction yellow" that is different from "new construction yellow?


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Title: Re:66 in the works
Post by: Joe Olympique on January 15, 2013, 05:29:08 AM

I believe the old construction yellow is the more orange of the two. I haven't used the "new" shade, called simply construction yellow, but based on the color of all the new JD equipment it looked way too lemon yellow. In any event, if you're after ski doo yellow, neither one of the JD shades is a good choice. I don't have pro spray equipment...no gun, no compressor...so aerosole was my only option. However, at $14.25 a can it's not much of a savings over real automotive paint put into aerosole. On this project I did some things out of order and also made some big mistakes, all of which led to additional painting. In the end I wound up spending almost $200 on the paint job and have the wrong shade of yellow. I would have been better off going with ddub yellow aerosole from the begining. Lesson learned. For the next all yellow sled there will be a gun, a compressor, and the correct shade of yellow by the quart.


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Title: Re:66 in the works
Post by: hermit on January 15, 2013, 08:22:54 AM

That looks great Larry! A nice collection you've ammassed there.


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Title: Re:66 in the works
Post by: FirstNation on February 4, 2013, 11:08:51 AM

If for no other reason I had to join the forum just to tell you that is insanely beautiful work you've done in every regard. Time and patience, key to an end result like that. I've saved all your pics as inspiration. Congrats.


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Title: Re:66 in the works
Post by: Joe Olympique on February 6, 2013, 02:17:52 AM


on 1360004931, FirstNation wrote:

If for no other reason I had to join the forum just to tell you that is insanely beautiful work you've done in every regard. Time and patience, key to an end result like that. I've saved all your pics as inspiration. Congrats.


Wow, thanks firstnation, that's quite a compliment ! Flattery will get you everywhere, welcome to the board

This project is now just a stone's throw from the finish line, all that remains is to wire the lights and key switch.

Here's some photos of the modifications I've made to the sled...

I used bike cable and jackets for the throttle and brake, drilled and tapped into the fan housing for the lower throttle cable clamp.



Fired up the engine for the first time last night, lots of nice blue smoke.
We have a snow storm forecast for the weekend, just might get a few photos out on the white.

Thanks to all you guys on the board here who helped out on this project with parts and advice. As always, I couldn't have done it without you. Thanks to Scott Tompkins for his hands on help and a lot of the great photos.


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Title: Re:66 in the works
Post by: 75 Elan on February 6, 2013, 02:29:29 AM

Nice job Larry, got me pumped!!


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Title: Re:66 in the works
Post by: Canada eh on February 6, 2013, 03:35:36 AM

Great job


Michel


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Title: Re:66 in the works
Post by: GaWajn on February 6, 2013, 05:21:45 AM

OH MY!!!

It's gorgeous! Get some pics of it on the snow .. I want it for my computer desktop wallpaper :)


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Title: Re:66 in the works
Post by: 1970TNT on February 12, 2013, 07:17:43 PM

SOOOOOOOOO JOEOLY DID THE 66 GET IT'S TRACK IN THE SNOW?????

OR IS IT HOLDING DOWN TODAYS NEWSPAPER ??? ??? ???


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Title: Re:66 in the works
Post by: Joe Olympique on February 12, 2013, 07:21:07 PM

Nope, sorry to say it didn't get out. It still needs some tuning. I didn't get out either, blew my knee out digging out the sleds to go for a ride. Bummer of a Sunday :(


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Title: Re:66 in the works
Post by: 1970TNT on February 12, 2013, 07:25:22 PM

WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!! 30 INCHES OF SNOW AND YA WERE STUCK INSIDE THE HOUSE :o :o

HOPE YA DOOOING BETTER NOW YETI


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Title: Re:66 in the works
Post by: sledrat on February 14, 2013, 03:58:49 PM


Im impressed very nice!
And i dont generally like really purrty sleds
but this one is Sweet!

hats off to you
because what it looked like before!


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Title: Re:66 in the works
Post by: Warrior on March 4, 2013, 06:58:13 PM

Awsome!


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Title: Re:66 in the works
Post by: Joe Olympique on March 4, 2013, 07:14:09 PM

Thanks Larry, us Larrys gotta stick together ;D


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Title: Re:66 in the works
Post by: 775 on March 4, 2013, 08:36:43 PM

[quote author=Warrior link=board=5;threadid=20110;start=40#msg125278 date=1362452293]
Awsome!
[/quote]

Totally awesome!


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Title: Re:66 in the works
Post by: skiroule71 on March 21, 2013, 03:04:41 PM

Gorgeous restoration!!!


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Title: Re:66 in the works
Post by: Rockalicious on March 30, 2013, 05:44:24 AM

You project fires up the drive within.. thanks for posting, beauty of a sled.


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Title: Re:66 in the works
Post by: EricR on March 30, 2013, 06:13:39 AM

[quote author=skiroule71 link=board=5;threadid=20110;start=40#msg126072 date=1363903481]
Gorgeous restoration!!!
[/quote]

Not a "restoration" as much as a "Ski Doo should have done it this way" job. Incorporating features found on later machines, yet retaining the looks of the '66. Going to incorporate some of these things on my '67, steering support, removable cab etc.


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Title: Re:66 in the works
Post by: Joe Olympique on March 30, 2013, 06:28:53 AM


Quote:
[quote]


Going to incorporate some of these things on my '67, steering support, removable cab etc.
[/quote]

Right on Eric, you won't be sorry. The 70 steering loop and cabin latches are the perfect fix...authentic ski doo parts intended for that purpose with very little modification


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Title: Re:66 in the works
Post by: charlie73 on April 2, 2013, 03:27:09 PM

Nice work! I completely understand the reluctant participant aspect. Its called o.c.d. and it works well for me. Keep up the nice work!


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Title: Re:66 in the works
Post by: l vendeur on April 20, 2013, 07:35:26 AM

Wow , professional job !


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Title: Re:66 in the works
Post by: goose on April 20, 2013, 06:17:23 PM

Very sharp indeed!


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Title: Re:66 in the works
Post by: ddub on May 10, 2013, 08:45:34 PM

Looking very nice!


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Title: Re:66 in the works
Post by: Rockalicious on May 19, 2013, 06:27:23 PM

Hey Joe. How did you go about cleaning up the engine? You mentioned wire wheel, did you find that it scratched the jug and head at all?


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Title: Re:66 in the works
Post by: Joe Olympique on May 19, 2013, 07:55:37 PM

All wire wheels are not created equal and there were several approaches to cleaning things up. Wire wheels come in coarse, medium, and fine, and in brass and steel. I put the head to the wire wheel that is on my bench grinder. Instant shine with no scratching. I'm not sure what grade of coarseness that wheel is but it's gentle. All the small wheels for the electric drill I've used leave scratches, so test a small area first if you use one.

For the jug it was just a very thin bottle brush and solvent. Working and working it in between every fin. Finished with a rub down of acetone using a scotch brite pad.

For the fan housing I started by hand cleaning with acetone and scotch brite. The housing was unpainted and, I thought, pretty clean. But the rub brought up a lot of black. Once the scotch brite pad came clean I used a variable speed buffer with a 10" wool wheel, that's what gave it the shine. I might have used some Mother's aluminum polish, don't really remember. But the shine would be there regardless, the buffer is what makes it happen


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Title: Re:66 in the works
Post by: Rockalicious on May 20, 2013, 06:42:24 PM

Yeah your right about the wire brushes. A couple that I have tried have left little grooves in the head and various other pieces of the engine that I used as a test. Rummaging through my tools I did however find a wire brush that works with a drill that is fine enough that it doesn't cut or hurt your fingers when touched. I just tried it out and cleaned up the recoil cup real nice, leaves a good look once the grease has been cleaned off.

A visit to Home Depot today yielded not much in the way of selection for wire brushes. The only ones listed as fine were the bench kind you used. Any of the drill mounted brushes had no listing at all and the packaging is designed so you can't even get at the brush to feel it. An explanation of paint removal as one of the uses is kind of broad when looking for something more than just that as in this case.

Thanks for the info and I will pick up some acetone.


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Title: Re:66 in the works
Post by: 75 Elan on May 21, 2013, 01:31:33 AM

With my 299 cylinder which is all steel painted black, my boss who rebuilds and tunes mini motors, has a tank with heated caustic soda, set it in there for a while, took off all old paint and rust, nice job!! cleaned in between the fins nicely. ready for paint.


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Title: Re:66 in the works
Post by: Joe Olympique on May 21, 2013, 04:12:29 PM

That sounds a lot easier and more thorough than a bottle brush Bill


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Title: Re:66 in the works
Post by: 75 Elan on May 21, 2013, 09:27:07 PM

Good system, he made it himself, hot water tank cut the top of and a way you go, but don't put aluminum in there!!! :o My motor should be going in soon, just timed it last night, still got som exhaust work to doo.


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Title: Re:66 in the works
Post by: sno-dogg on October 16, 2013, 10:38:04 AM

very nice work ..you'd get along great with my buddies who are doing a tin cab clone....



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