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Well, ya know, sometimes things jump in the truck...
« on: March 1, 2017, 06:30:13 PM »
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While on my trip to Minnesota, I visited the Goose to pick up some parts. While pulling some brackets off a '73 Oly, I noted a couple crusty Elans next door.

$40 bucks later I have a 71 chassis in decent shape, needs a little welding. And a '72 Hood that is patchable. Track is decent. '71 Skis were kept and some decent later ones substituted. The tank I hope to plastic weld. I have a couple spare engines I can put together out of the parts I have.

Below is a link to an album of pics, copy and paste the link. I do not know where the pics I originally posted here went!


https://photos.app.goo.gl/XErfaQkEHumM8MEv8




It's an early chassis, doesn't have the angle braces in later production.

 

Amazing the farmer ingenuity that patched this- someone did not have access to a welder. 


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« Reply #1 on: March 2, 2017, 05:19:41 AM »
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Geez silly!!,, that's what happens in mn, ski-doos jump in the back of pick-ups and deer jump in into your grill!  .      Todd
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« Reply #2 on: March 2, 2017, 10:51:43 AM »
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Stop in St. Stephen on your way thru next year. I've got a tank I've had for a number of years I'll probably never use that might cost a couple packs of smokes
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« Reply #3 on: March 2, 2017, 02:13:44 PM »
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Heck I will go for name brands in that case!
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« Reply #4 on: March 3, 2017, 06:26:06 AM »
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looks like a steering arm end, fuel tank and engine and she`ll be tearing up the turf in Dixie in no time 
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« Reply #5 on: March 3, 2017, 09:13:20 AM »
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I thought all Elan steering arms were bent like that? 

This one will likely stay in MN. I have machines in Virginia, MN, and in Georgia but the farthest southern ones are merely there for triage and storage.

For that matter, MN had not much but turf this year too. 
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« Reply #6 on: November 13, 2018, 08:20:09 PM »
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Well it's November 2018. I ended up bringing this thing home from MN on a trip this summer for some rehab- here is the tear  down-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xg78CK6WZc&t=10s
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« Reply #7 on: December 12, 2018, 04:35:42 PM »
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Started hitting it with the flap wheel, it was rusted through in spots at the tunnel to belly pan seam- I bend up some 22 gauge and spot welded in place. I will use some automotive seam sealer on it, it's overlapped over the original stuff.  This ain't ever going to be a show piece, just want it to hold together.   

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« Reply #8 on: December 13, 2018, 04:33:25 PM »
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Had to do spot welds as it would otherwise blow through.  .024 Mig wire and lowest settings.
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« Reply #9 on: January 19, 2019, 07:28:18 AM »
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It's getting there- except when I welded one patch in I blew holes next to it...shouldda just pop riveted license plates in!

Oh well she won't be pretty but she's got lots of bushwackin' the swamp left in 'er. 

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« Reply #10 on: January 19, 2019, 07:18:16 PM »
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Good repair work Eric - she looks like she has more than a few goood years left in it.  I know when I redid my 71 elan I went through a LOT of bronze.  And even that blew holes through all over the place.  Those early elan chassis are really thin, but that also makes them lighter than all the others. 

What engine are you going to use on this?
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« Reply #11 on: January 19, 2019, 10:04:16 PM »
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Just a stock twelver. I can tell by the way the middle of the steering support tin is bent someone had an angle plug single in her at one time.

Right now, I paid $20 for the sled as a roller, another $20 for a '72 hood that needs some rivets and backing tin around the top, then got a '71 hood given to me but it needs lots of work too.

Picked up a used good gas tank for $20.

I have about $100 in sprockets etc I bought for it.


Hope to have a good bush beater for around $200 when I'm done.
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« Reply #12 on: April 4, 2019, 03:50:42 AM »
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I welded up a patch over a tear in the tunnel, it was pushed up from the bottom. I imagine a rock or such got jammed between the tunnel and the track at some time. My welding is improving. 

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« Reply #13 on: April 4, 2019, 05:48:15 AM »
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I would say your welding skills are already WAY better than mine! Nice work 
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« Reply #14 on: April 4, 2019, 06:16:02 AM »
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Looking good Eric, keep in mind that you will likely not get a beautiful weld if there is any rust.  You always get some spitting and popping and porosity. Just curious...  What are you using as a shield gas? I like 75/25. CO2 / Ar.  I am certainly no artist when it comes to welding. My dad taught me back in the early eighties. Now HE was the true artist!  It's what he did for a living.
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« Reply #15 on: April 4, 2019, 09:20:35 AM »
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I'm using C25, a .024" wire, lowest setting for voltage and wire speed.

Hobart Handler 135 welder, 110 volt MIG.

Clean clean clean the metal, clamp it together as good as possible, and do little tack welds.

In places on the belly I flat out did not clean it well enough and didn't have the ability to clamp it. I need to get some of those things that look like removable rivets, the sheet metal fab folks use them to hold things together while they are stitched together. 

You want to see GOOD metal fab and welding, members Hotdoo and Longnecker are the guys to watch!

I'm hoping to practice up on this one for the fab I need to do on the '67 Super Oly project later on. 
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« Reply #16 on: April 4, 2019, 02:19:24 PM »
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What your looking for are called  cleco fastners.  Two styles, ones that use a plier's type tool to install and a stand-alone type having an inherit wing nut to tension.    I like the wing nut style, sometimes not enough space to use the pliers/handle.

There's a pic here...

https://www.mscdirect.com/product/details/04618807

In non structural areas,  like  under seats and tunnel sides, when the metal gets too thin to weld, epoxy resin comes in handy  to plug holes.    Reduces your radar signature too.....   
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« Reply #17 on: April 5, 2019, 09:23:50 AM »
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THANK YOU Green and Gold, I could not think of what they were named.

Yes, I have used JB weld on some pin holes under the seat on another sled, wasn't bad enough to warrant cut and weld.

I wish 'Doo had just used seats that held on with snaps like Cat, so they were easy to pop off and let the inevitable moisture trapped from rusting out the tunnel and rotting the seat bases. 
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« Reply #18 on: May 27, 2019, 04:48:54 AM »
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She's never going to be the belle of the ball, that's for sure!  A lot of patching the rusty belly pan, a few flap wheels, some Ospho to kill the rust pits, and about three cans of JD medium black-




I built up Olymipc/TNT 15" bogie sets, the three wheel/one spring original 71 bogie sets are weaker, and needed new springs, bearings and tires anyway. Here are the old versus the new-



Getting her together, using '73 offset spindles from Joe Olympic on this site, with some ski saddles/bushings from Goose- and a stock 247 I built up from parts I picked up here and there-



The track has great lug, less than the usual weather cracking for an old track, no broken bars and spins free- BUT is shrunk! I was hoping to run it on a stand and get it to loosen up, but it broke the chain rather quickly. In retrospect I did not pull the chain out and fully inspect it. I am going to cut and extend the link plates as suggested by Joe Kissenberth (70 TNT) on this site-





Since the pics are gone from my first thread on this post, here is a shot of the humble beginnings. She sat in the weeds, no engine no hood with the belly full of rain water- I was plucking a couple hood brackets from an Oly sitting next to it, when Ron "Goose" said "you want that thing? Twenty bucks!" Then as he dragged it with the four wheeler he stopped by the pile of hoods in the trees, and got me that '72 hood that needs some pop rivets and tin done to hold some cracks together for another twenty. We swapped the valuable 71 skis for some nicer 73's-


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« Reply #19 on: May 27, 2019, 05:15:34 AM »
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Now that's some nice progress Eric.  With regards to the broken chain...careful inspection is a must. I got lucky on this lesson. Spotted a crack in a chain on the bench, just by accident. Somehow it caught my attention out of the corner of my eye.  If it had been laying differently I probably wouldn't have noticed it.  So I put my zoomies on and inspected the next chain. Sure enough, that one had a break also. Third chain was okay.  I put a piece of blue tape on the chain to mark where I begin so that I won't miss a link on the way around.

The extended link plates will work well. I add a total of one inch in length.  That allows for good slack and still avoids interference with the rear set of bogies at full deflection.
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