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Literature forum / Poe Discussion Forum / Re:The 24th Mint Julep- |
on: November 18, 2009, 06:49:25 AM |
| Started by KC | Last post by Undine |
| On Google Books, you can find an article from the 1920s comparing the two poems. I can't recall offhand what journal it was in, but if you go to GB and do a search for "The Mourner" + "Annabel Lee," it's easily found. |
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Literature forum / Poe Discussion Forum / Re:The 24th Mint Julep- |
on: November 17, 2009, 02:51:39 PM |
| Started by KC | Last post by KC |
| Oh, yes, it's not good at all! I'd be happy to scan it in to show to folks who have no idea what we're typing about here. They mention it on the Poe Society archives, but last I checked you can't click on it to see for yourself. Or would you know of another spot it's already at? Most folks don't seem to be aware of it... |
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Literature forum / Poe Discussion Forum / Re:The 24th Mint Julep- |
on: November 11, 2009, 07:43:09 AM |
| Started by KC | Last post by Undine |
I don't remember ever seeing that anecdote, but that's a bit similar to this letter, as well:
http://www.eapoe.org/works/letters/p4303160.htm
I've heard about the "Mourner"/"Annabel Lee" comparison. I usually have little patience with such offbeat literary speculations, but in this case the similarities are close enough to be intriguing, at least. Actually, "The Mourner" reads like a bad parody of Poe, doesn't it?
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Literature forum / Poe Discussion Forum / Re:help with a book |
on: November 11, 2009, 07:29:02 AM |
| Started by sps | Last post by Undine |
That was by David Madsen. You should be able to find a copy on Abebooks or one of the other used-book sites.
By the way, please don't take "Black Plume" too literally--it's one of the more, uh, well, "fanciful" Poe novels. |
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Literature forum / Poe Discussion Forum / help with a book |
on: November 9, 2009, 06:23:43 PM |
| Started by sps | Last post by sps |
| Hello All, I am having trouble finding a book. I read it in about 1987. That copy is long gone and now I need one for a gift. I think the book was called "The Black Plume". Supposed to be written partly from Poe's manuscripts by, I think his mother in law. Don't know how true this is but it was a great book. Any ideas, anybody ? |
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Literature forum / Poe Discussion Forum / The 24th Mint Julep- |
on: November 7, 2009, 05:25:40 PM |
| Started by KC | Last post by KC |
I had written earlier about the inspiration for "Annabel Lee" and gotten some good responses- thanks! Interestingly, one thing I found in Charleston is an "Annabel Ravenell"- yes, 2 Ls, listed in the local phone book! I have not yet screwed up the courage to out-of-the-blue give her a call but you can imagine my curiosity.
Also, there is a poem from good ole Anon. printed in the Charleston Post the year prior to Poe's birth, called "The Mourner" (I haven't found a reference to it here- yet- is this all old news?). It has virtually the same meter as Poe's poem and much of the phrasing, including parts of the last few lines- really very, very like. It was collected in a pamphlet collection in 1922 that is in the Charleston Library Society, and the commentary about it (I'd have to check my notes again on that name) speculates that Poe, while at Moultrie, looked this edition up while in town because the paper had also included a review of a performance that his actor parents had been in. I can, in fact, "see" him ripping a page out that he thought might excite his imagination later, frankly. He may have been less of a raven and more of a magpie! Still questing...
But a new question- I recall an anecdote in one of the older biographies about Poe being offered, by an overly persistent hostess at some lecture or reception, a series of mint juleps during a time of sobriety for him, and his finally succumbing at the 24th (or 25th?) instance, with all the horrible and predictable results. He had had one of his editor friends with him at his elbow, but to no avail. Danged if I can find this particular biography again, though, or even this same anecdote in this form, anywhere! AARRGHH! Anyone know who's this is? Thanks ahead of time!
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Literature forum / Poe Discussion Forum / Re:Edgar Allan Poe and animals |
on: August 28, 2009, 07:19:42 AM |
| Started by Eleftheria | Last post by Bironic |
Thomas Llove Peacock's commentary "Edgar Allan Poe: Complete Poems" is a must for detail research.
There are many classical references and poetical devices preferred by the Romantics of that era but you are interested in animals, like cats, birds and even the horse in "Metzengerstein"? Poe loved cats but of copurse did horrible things to one in "The Black Cat" which tells you something about his sense of humor where you least expected to find it.
I suppose however it might have to do with the problem of "The Raven"? Athena's owl seems to have been the original intent , but the idea had already been taken. As with other elements of the poem that did not stand in the way of Poe making a new mix for the sake of his needs. This is also what makes the earlier poem "To Helen" difficult in its classical references.
Animals, when they have importance, are definitely emblematic in Poe and harbingers of the other world and inner psyche at one and the same time. In that restrictive sense they are fairly rare overall and not always present for the simple reason that it is the inner psyche that most concerns Poe. He has the most existential honesty of the Romantics in realizing that this is all he has regardless of faith or reality of the afterlife. People are tempted by the seeming reality of the Raven omen to disregard that this is simply a self created delusion.
Or do your studies have anything to do with the Mallarme symbolist movement of the new Parnassus?
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