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Joshua P. Warren - L.E.M.U.R.
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Amazing New "Ghost" Photo
« on: July 31, 2007, 10:29:02 AM »
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This remarkable photo was taken by North Carolina paranormal investigator Richard Liebeck, in the Triangular Field, on the Gettysburg Battlefied, at the Ghost World Conference (July 20-22, 2007). Many Confederate soldiers were slaughtered on this property.

Liebeck used a KODAK DX7590 5mp with a Hoya R72 IR filter. Though he and his brother were alone, to their knowledge, when the photo was taken (during broad daylight), a humanoid figure, resembling a solider, appeared to the right of the frame when the IR filter was used.

It was taken on Sunday, July 22, at 5:10pm. They also measured strong magnetic surges around this time using a Tri-Field Natural EM Meter.

The image is currently undergoing analysis. Updates will be posted here as they become available.

For more on Richard's group, see:

www.BlueRidgeParanormal.com






Here are some enhancements by L.E.M.U.R.'s Brian Irish:









For a large, high-quality version of the original pic, see:

http://shadowboxent.brinkster.net/images9/100_1179.JPG

Here is another angle of the footpath at which the figure appears to stand:




CLICK HERE for the ULTIMATE
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« Reply #1 on: July 31, 2007, 12:42:16 PM »
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That looks like a man walking down a path to me, not a ghost.
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« Reply #2 on: July 31, 2007, 04:43:51 PM »
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  I have no doubt at all that Gettysburg is completely haunted. Hopefully not a hoax - but even if it is, it doesn't change the fact that they're still wandering around out there. I think as our photography gets better and the end times keep marching closer we're going to see a lot more.
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« Reply #3 on: July 31, 2007, 04:50:09 PM »
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I am the person who took the photo and there was absolutely no one there.  We arrived at the Triangular Field at approximately 4:50pm and the photo was taken at 5:10pm.  No one arrived on the battlefield other than us until about 5:30pm.  No way to prove it but if you notice the analysis photos by Brian Irish, the head and legs seem to be thinner(almost transparent).  I am not making any claims on what this is but there was absolutely no one there.
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« Reply #4 on: July 31, 2007, 04:57:23 PM »
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Absolutely amazing. I have been to Gettysburg once. I didn't know that it was haunted until I saw men walking way off and thought that it was someone looking for something in the grass. Found out that we were the only ones in that area and I was told later when I mentioned the men in the field that it was haunted and I probably witnessed a ghost. Great pic. Maybe I'll post my freaky pic and see what y'all say.
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« Reply #5 on: July 31, 2007, 07:39:16 PM »
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I have been investigating the paranormal for eleven years. I met Richard Liebeck in 2004 and have have investigated with him. The one thing that I can tell you about him is that he would never release evidence that he did not believe to be 100% authentic. Knowing what I do about the standards he holds, I say this is a Ghost.
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« Reply #6 on: July 31, 2007, 08:24:11 PM »
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Could you post the picture that was taken just before this one? You showed me one of another angle. I believe that there was a mist in that one.

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« Reply #7 on: July 31, 2007, 11:17:45 PM »
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When the photos were taken, Liebeck reports it was partly cloudy and around 85 degrees. Shortly before he captured the apparition, he took a regular photo without the IR filter around 4:57pm. That photo showed a strange hazy spot. Perhaps this hazy spot reflects the apparition's position, yet the distinct figure could only be seen once the filter was used. Here is that photo:



Here's a close-up of that hazy spot:



For a large, high-quality version of the pic, see:

http://shadowboxent.brinkster.net/images9/100_1178.JPG
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« Reply #8 on: August 1, 2007, 03:47:59 AM »
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I began using digital infrared in 2006.  In March of that year, I caught two apparitions at Devil's Den.  The photo from the Triangular Field looks genuine provided that there were no people in frame.  Since then, I have been successful at other locations.  Another member of our group, Craig Rupp, took the best infrared photo I have ever seen when he was on Little Round Top earlier this year.
Brian Schill of the IPRF sent me a photo that one of his members took.  It looks good as well.
A couple of our pictures are on our website www.ghostsrus.com
The Devil's Den photo is there.  That photo was examined by a former forensic photographic analyst for the F.B.I. and was deemed genuine.  Craig's will be posted soon.
I am very glad to see that groups other than the Ghost Research Foundation are using digital infrared and getting results.
Scott Crownover, co-founder GRF
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« Reply #9 on: August 1, 2007, 03:31:03 PM »
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the photo taken by R. L. on his trip was sent to me by another team member of his and I want the readers of this post to know that I did everything I could to it to break it down to determine whether I could find any tampering with the photo.  I used several different software applications in this process with high magnification and I could not debunck the picture.  Usually, if it is tampered with you can get to a point where you can find a point that the image no longer matches exactly to the background pixels.  As far as I am able to say it is my belief that the image captured is legit.  One of the things that I really appreciated about the picture posted was of the one he took just prior shot in normal lighting which still clearly shows the outline of some form.  It is congruent with the filtered photo and seems to represent the same shape.  I find these photo submissions to be good evidence for the furthering the claims of paranormal activity.  Thanks for reading.
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« Reply #10 on: August 1, 2007, 06:06:46 PM »
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Considering the path that is obvious in the photo, it certainly is just as obvious that the "ghost" is something, probably a human, simply walking the path.  If it photographs, it must have mass to reflect the light.  This would make it "of this world" as most do not consider ghosts to have mass.  However, as the laws of physics/matter operate, there is no evidence that any kind of energy-matter function represents an actual ghost, according to the most accepted definitions of ghost.  The photo begs closer examination (higher resolution) in order to determine exactly what it is.  I'm not trying to be supercritical or tear down believers.  I just want to be very sure that what is there is a real paranormal phenomenon, after we absolutely rule out laws of matter and energy, natural local phenomena, etc.

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« Reply #11 on: August 2, 2007, 12:00:31 AM »
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Hi Donastices,

Thanks for your thoughts on this image.

When an apparition manifests in a form that can be captured by a camera, it seems to do so in the plasma state--the fourth state of matter. I say that given characteristics of "ghosts" that often match plasma characteristics, as described in some of my books (like How to Hunt Ghosts). To my understanding, plasmas do not possess mass in the classic sense, but are able to both produce and reflect light, as demonstrated in ball lightning-type manifestations as well as L.E.M.U.R.'s Brown Mountain experiments detailed at www.BrownMountainLights.com. Altogether, if this is a plasma manifestation, visible in the IR realm, it could reflect/produce light without mass. The principle of reflection depends on how the light waves from the camera lens interact with light waves emanating from the subject.

In his analysis, Brian Irish noted the form produced no apparent shadow. I have never seen what I feel to be a legitimate ghost photo candidate with a shadow. This may be a telling component, implying the forms do not necessarily block light but produce their own.

Paranormal-Investigation.com enhanced and analyzed the anomaly. They were surprised by the details that could be extracted and feel a soldier carrying a gun, across his left shoulder, can be discerned: 





Yesterday I interviewed Dr. Bill Forstchen, one of the world's top experts on the Civil War, regarding this photo. He said the apparent figure matches the garb of a soldier at the time, at the location, under the circumstances. Soon I plan to post the audio with his actual words. This can assure the relevance and accuracy of the historical context.
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« Reply #12 on: August 2, 2007, 04:16:41 PM »
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On August 1, 2007, while hosting Take A Stand on News Radio 570 WWNC, I interviewed Dr. William R. Forstchen (he was live in the studio) regarding this photo. It was between 3 and 4pm.

Dr. Forstchen is a history professor, Civil War expert, and NY Times Best-selling author. He has spent a great deal of time at Gettysburg. You can learn more about him at: www.Forstchen.com

Here is a 1 min. 22 sec. clip of Dr. Forstchen's comments on the historical integrity of the apparition:

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« Reply #13 on: August 2, 2007, 05:09:07 PM »
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Hello.  It's Donastices again and I'm going to comment on plasma state as an explanation for ghosts.  The plasma state either exists outside of earth in the magnetosphere, or on earth as produced in labs.  It needs an external (incredible heat-as in stars- or electrical stimulus) energy boost to cause its ions to heat up and release light.  Even then there would be nothing emitted like a specific and recognizeable image.  From what source would a ghost derive such incredible heat and energy in order to produce an image out of plasma?  Plasma states, unless continually stimulated by outside energy, rapidly produce enough heat through ion collisions that they dissipate in the blink of an eye.  Probably too rapidly to even be seen or photographed.  Ball lightning and similar phenomena are not proven to be in the plasma state.  Lab experiments, however, have produced them, especially in the presence of electrical stimuli (e.g. lightning discharges) or metals that, when agitated (storm around an airplane, for example) produce mists of electrically charged particles that may adhere through gravity in a globular shape.  These may last for several seconds until the inter-ion attractions break down.  Considering this kind of behavior, I don't believe that one should try to explain ghosts by attempting to rationalize their behavior via a fourth state of matter when the earth bound three states can't do it.  And, again, I'm not arguing for its own sake, but only attempting to find something "outside" natural processes.  I'm grateful for comments; we all learn from these.  Because I'm new to chat rooms, etc., I find it often difficult to interpret the numerous messages, computer language, etc.  Who answered me with the "plasma ghost" hypothesis?  I didn't find a name.

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I don't believe that one should try to explain ghosts by attempting to rationalize their behavior via a fourth state of matter when the earth bound three states can't do it.

Welcome to the board Donastices. And thanks for your cogent clarification of the physics here - you beat me to it.  This and related topics about the nature and behavior of ghosts have been around the track many times over the four years that I’ve been here.  It is frequently the case that when looking for an explanation for these 'ghostly'images, some try to conjure up explanations using some of the more esoteric concepts (at least to the general public) like plasmas or EM-fields or antimatter...  the general idea being that so few people understand the science behind the concepts that they will buy it.

It's just a fact of human nature that most people are eager to believe unbelievable things. So the world of paranormal phenomena is filled with passionate believers who look for things to cling to to support their 'faith'.  Rational skepticism that throws cold water on theories is not always kindly accepted.  Occam's Razor is a dirty word for some.  The faithful who want to believe have little patience with questions like 'If ghosts are so ethereal that can walk through walls, how are they able to walk across a floor and down stairs?"

The plasma theory was presented by one of the board administrators from LEMUR, probably Josh Warren.
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« Reply #15 on: August 2, 2007, 05:59:28 PM »
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The author of the plasma hyposthesis was Joshua Warren.  President of LEMUR.  I understand the criticism of this photo because extreme claims require extreme evidence.  And I know there is no way to prove to anyone that there was not a person on that path.  I am the person who took the photo and there were only two people on that battlefield when the photo was taken: Myself and my brother who was about 2 feet away from me as I took the photo.  I am not claiming this is a ghost.  I am putting it out there for opinions from other people.  My question to you is this,  If I am telling the truth and there was nobody on that path.      What caused the image?      My brother Randy Liebeck is one of the most respected paranormal investigators in the world.  He has had cases refered to him from Loyd Auerbach and other big name investigators.  He has investigated haunted locations all over the United States & England.  He has worked on several television shows and other media outlets.  This is his passion and he regularly admits he has never captured any pictures or video of a ghostly nature.  If I had faked this photo or if I were to mis-represent anything that I present, he would probably never speak to me again.  He has been doing this since the 1980's and he knows to observe any other people in the area and to note when they arrive and leave.  This photo was taken under controlled conditions and there was NO ONE on that path.  Thank you again for your comments and like I said before,  I am not calling this a ghost but I am calling this something that was not visable as I looked through the viewfinder 
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Sorry about the typo---hypothesis
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Hello, Mr. Liebeck:
    Yes, I believe you.  And I hope that you will have many similar photos so that we can gain more info on what peculiar causes are out there, natural or super-
natural.  Thank you for responding so sincerely.

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To Charles:

Thanks for your excellent comments on belief systems.  Let's all keep examining our world with critical yet acceptant eyes, for all the differences, mysteries, and explanations it offers.

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The plasma state either exists outside of earth in the magnetosphere, or on earth as produced in labs.

Donastices,

Majority of the known universe exists in a state of plasma. But right here on earth, manifestations as common as a candle flame or a lightning bolt are plasmas.

As you correctly stated, ball lightning has been recreated in labs, and it exists in the plasma state. The reason it is called "ball lightning" is because it is a form of lightning--a plasma.

We do not know what creates an apparition, or allows it to be observed. It is a mystery. But as I stated before, after nearly two decades of published research, I can say conclusively that many of the plasma characteristics are common with those associated with "ghosts." The earth itself is a huge electrodynamic machine, and the source of power may emanate from the planet itself, especially under certain environmental conditions. Liebeck reported anomalous magnetic surges around the time the apparition was captured.


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So the world of paranormal phenomena is filled with passionate believers who look for things to cling to to support their 'faith'.  Rational skepticism that throws cold water on theories is not always kindly accepted.  Occam's Razor is a dirty word for some.  The faithful who want to believe have little patience with questions like 'If ghosts are so ethereal that can walk through walls, how are they able to walk across a floor and down stairs?"


Charles,

Considering we're talking about the plasma theory (first addressed in this thread by me), your statement regarding Occam's Razor seems to imply I have not employed this principle. In fact, I have written extensively about the concept and advise any serious researcher to adhere to this timeless facet. By saying "the general idea being that so few people understand the science behind the concepts that they will buy it," you have expressed a condescending view that warps honest analysis of the available data. Being an open board for all, there are indeed some who do not understand plasma physics. But there are others who do, and to undermine that element with such an arrogant statement is not becoming of you, given your input in the past.

Richard Liebeck, and his brother Randy, are the only people who can say, with 100 percent certainty, that no person (dressed in period garb) was standing in the field and/or that this photo was not hoaxed. But I have met (and corresponded for quite a while) with Richard and his brother. If we are to give them the benefit of the doubt, and presume the photo is presented according to their honest claims, then we must deal with a true anomaly.

My efforts to form opinions based on those grounds are documented. Aside from taking a snide, and apparently pre-determined, approach to this data, can you offer any truly skeptical explanations for what we may see in this photo? I value your approach when open-minded, and hope you will assist us with your scientific experience.

Whatever the case, since you, Charles, are in agreement with Donastices, I hope you will please do thorough research regarding plasmas, as you both concur on clear misunderstandings of fundamental plasma characteristics (regardless of whether or not we are analyzing a plasma-related phenomenon).

Randy Liebeck and Brian Irish will be on my radio program, SPEAKING OF STRANGE, this Saturday night (August 4) at 8pm ET. I invite you both to call the show and ask questions or make comments: (800) 570-9962 and www.SpeakingOfStrange.com

In answer to your question, Charles: Most ghosts seem to be imprints: non-conscious, non-interactive, elements of the past. Your reference to physical structures, such as walls and floors, suggest the ghost is actually restrained by present physical structures. An apparition may be no more restrained than a radio wave; an image from the past (perhaps like light from a projected film) that replays within a certain block of space-time. The environment may act as a large recording medium, but as Einstein said: "If we knew what we were dealing with, we wouldn't call it research."

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